Wow ! Linux has come a long way in a year...

[PaleDuke]

I've spent the better part of this week downloading Mandrake 8.1 at work. Finally got the 1rst ISO done so burned and took it home tonight. The install routine was very user friendly and went quite quickly. I set up a 10GB partition and a 512MB swap partition, formatted and installed the applicable software for a client setup. It detected my USB mouse and even provides hardware acceleration for my V3 ! All told, took maybe two hours tops. Used the provided boot manager so menu to load 98se or Linux. Top notch package indeed.

Upon logging in I downloaded and installed Opera for Linux and came to SC, all the while listening to a CD of mp3's on the KDE multimedia player.

After an uncomfortable experience with CorelLinux 1.1 I concluded MS had nothing to worry about for awhile. This distro is unbelievably easy intuitive and fast.

[Hydra]

sheep
lol :)

i'd like to give it a try, but i'm not paying for linux and i'm damn well not gunna dl it on a 56k :D

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by Hydra
sheep

lol :)



i'd like to give it a try, but i'm not paying for linux and i'm damn well not gunna dl it on a 56k :D

I hear ya ! Took forever to d/l but I'd heard some good stuff about it so wanted to give it a go. Still have a lot of learning to do but it has been surprisingly easy. If they can start sending out CD's (a la AOL) MS could be in trouble.

My fave part is the price, and no guilty conscience...:)

[Vincent_HRD]

Hey PD, how big is it?

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by Vincent_HRD
Hey PD, how big is it?

You don't wanna know...lol.

650MB

Told ya.:D

[Vincent_HRD]

I'll ask a friend of mine, if he can download it for me at his work, and burn it. :D

[Trip]

Yeah, im gonna get it so i can "Triple boot" off win 98/xp and linux now! Woo!

[Vincent_HRD]

PD, I have one more question, what's the size of the installation?

[msan_msw]

Hrmmm.... I thought I already posted in this thread. Anyway... coo, PD. I might be there with ya soon. I'll prolly give it a go with the next reformat which will be soon. :)

[marianozz]

Originally posted by PaleDuke


I hear ya ! Took forever to d/l but I'd heard some good stuff about it so wanted to give it a go. Still have a lot of learning to do but it has been surprisingly easy. If they can start sending out CD's (a la AOL) MS could be in trouble.

My fave part is the price, and no guilty conscience...:)

mmm thats a good one, to have ppl givin away linux cds at the mall.... that would mean a lot against M$!!!!!

the closest i´ve seen is ppl givin it to callers on geek tv shows, but not much else.....

[merlin262]

If your on 56k and don't want to spend that much, you can get CD's from LSL on the cheap:

http://www.mailordercentral.com/lsl/prodinfo.asp?number=MAN-00&variation=&aitem=9&mitem=18

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by Vincent_HRD
PD, I have one more question, what's the size of the installation?

I did a "typical" install (no additions or deletions) based on having the first CD-ROM. There are a total of three ISO's (CD's) for the total package. It ended up using 850+/- MB on a 10GB partition. Includes a full office package (word processor, spreadsheet & presentation software) a couple different web browsers/e-mail clients, and tonnes of utilities. Pretty much everything one would need to use a pc for the cost of a single CD-R. :)

Msan, if you're anything like me it won't be long before the next reformat.:D

[BloodyL]

I'm grabbing CD2 of redhat 7.2 myself right now.

I'm fed up with winblows, and I want to see just what the heck every pro-linux user is shouting about.

I'm all backed up and ready, just in case i fluff it up and have reformat or repartition.

[PaleDuke]

Update: :boohoo: like anyone cares...:boohoo:

Installed on my second 'puter, only thing I haven't gotten round to is finding linux drivers for my Intel Anypoint Phoneline adapters. If not for gaming, (very big problem :() the Mandrake 8.1 package could easily replace Windows, at least in my case. Rock solid, fast, and the KDE gui is even nicer than Windows. If you have room and are willing to try something new I really do recommend giving one of the newer linux distros a try.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by PaleDuke

the Mandrake 8.1 package could easily replace Windows, at least in my case. Rock solid, fast, and the KDE gui is even nicer than Windows.

omg! cover your ears children!

one thing tho, you've been using 9x :D

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by Hydra


omg! cover your ears children!

one thing tho, you've been using 9x :D

Although your point is valid...

:shaddup::yb:

[EG]

Now I am fxing to break PDs heart..LOL

Catalog No.: 0070010707
Publisher: CheapBytes CheapBytes Linux Mandrake 8.1 CD Install Set
Our Price: $3.99

http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/scan/mp=category/se=101?6WxDkdFF;;2

[PaleDuke]

$ 3.99 !!!!

Doh ! Coulda saved me a tonne of time and pissed off co-workers...lol.

Here's acreenie taken just a bit ago, browser and xmm media player, also grabbed the screen, edited to jpg and ftp'd to my ISP in linux, very user friendly.

http://www.ovis.net/~dadd97/snapshot1.jpg

[EG]

It would take me 13 hours to dload the ISO on DSL..I just cant even imagine using a 56k......

especially when you can get it for $3.99..LOL

[Vincent_HRD]

Hey PD, that screenshot is cool :D:D:D I think it's time to give it a try! :D:D:D

Edit: Yeah EG, I'm on 56K, and because of that I don't have it yet. I have a friend that has broadband at work, but he can't download it for me.

[napnip]

I just finished installing Mandrake 8.1. I gotta say it works great! The Gnome desktop is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!

My only other real experience with Linux was with Caldera, but I don't think they've put out any newer versions in a while.

[klausing]

I've been running Mandrake 8.1 now for some time, and love everything about it.

If any of you seriously want to have a go at it, but are only being restricted by the agony of downloading the ISOs, hit me up with an email and I'll send out as many free copies as i can manage. I've got about half a spindle of CDs here, and I've got no problem filling them up for those of you that want to give things a try.

[Ambience]

So basically what you guys are telling me is that Linux has finally provided you with what Microsoft has given you for the last five years? :knob:

:D

[EG]

Originally posted by Ambience
So basically what you guys are telling me is that Linux has finally provided you with what Microsoft has given you for the last five years? :knob:

:D

LOL......

[napnip]

Originally posted by Ambience
So basically what you guys are telling me is that Linux has finally provided you with what Microsoft has given you for the last five years? :knob:

:D

Nah, Linux has been providing for over a decade now what Microsoft should have been: stability.

[klausing]

Originally posted by Ambience
So basically what you guys are telling me is that Linux has finally provided you with what Microsoft has given you for the last five years?

The only thing Windows has reliably provided for the past 5 years was the comfort in knowing that it was only a matter of time before I'd be forced into a reboot (often when it was most unwanted), and the knowledge that my machine was effectively a time bomb which would without fail eventually need major "cleaning" or a fresh install.

Linux is WAY behind MS in these areas, as the only time I need to reboot while under linux is when I need to use Windows to play a game (which sadly is the one area linux IS lacking in). As for fresh installs, this only happens when I decide to switch from one distribution to another, and even then I only have to re-install my OS directory (meaning that I can keep all programs that I have installed and all users personal info).

Just wish that game makers would start porting more of their stuff over to linux.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by napnip


Nah, Linux has been providing for over a decade now what Microsoft should have been: stability.

linux is like a man in a wheelchair, sure it's stable, but it doesn't run anywhere(thing)

[napnip]

Originally posted by Hydra


linux is like a man in a wheelchair, sure it's stable, but it doesn't run anywhere(thing)


True. And Microsoft is like Ray Charles in a Corvette. It runs fast, but crashes into every damn thing.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by napnip



True. And Microsoft is like Ray Charles in a Corvette. It runs fast, but crashes into every damn thing.

rofl :D

i'd imagine it's like emulators, you get the emulators which run nearly everything, yet are slow and crash a lot

or you have an emulator that only works with a few games, but runs fast and stable

i'd imagine that improving compatibility in linux would lower the stability

[Vincent_HRD]

Klausing, check your email. :)

[napnip]

Originally posted by Hydra
i'd imagine that improving stability in linux would lower the stability


Um, OK.

:D

[Hydra]

Originally posted by napnip



Um, OK.

:D

argh, i really should pay more attention to what i type.... fixed

[napnip]

Seriously though, Microsoft isn't necessarily that bad. Their NT-based products are very stable. (Unfortunately, they weren't made for the home user until XP came out.) I'm still running NT 4.0, and it's always been absolutely rock solid for me. My friend Towlie is running Win2K, and he's told me that he's never had any problems with it.

One of Microsoft's biggest faults is their integrating Internet Explorer into the GUI. Big cause of instability there. (Which is one reason I still swear by NT 4....no IE integration.)

I've got a dual-boot set up on my other computer with NT and 2K. I downloaded IEradicator from 98Lite.net and completely uninstalled IE from 2K, including the shell integration. It's very very stable.

98Lite's products are really good. If somebody wanted to build a pure gaming rig, I'd suggest they install 98SE or ME with 98Lite, without IE, and it should run very stable, and fast.

Now if they could somehow turn off that damn Plug-n-Play from 2K, I'd consider switching over to it full time.

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by napnip



True. And Microsoft is like Ray Charles in a Corvette. It runs fast, but crashes into every damn thing.

LOL :D

I'm quite happy with my current config: dual boot linux/Win98se...can't make the move yet but I can see it in the future. Thank goodness for the large hard disks today.:)

[opus512]

I tried 98Lite a while ago, sometime in the last year anyway, didn't care for it, was unstable. All in all, you can get the same basic setup by installing 95 ;) :D

Linux has come a long way, and is a viable option for a lot of people here, but not average users.

I never cared for Red Hat, Mandrake isn't bad, if you want to try a nicve tight little distro, try Turbo Linux 6.5, but then I run servers, not desktops with Linux.

I almsot put it on my laptop instead of XP Pro, but I have too much invested in Wondows software to make the leap right now.

PD, I notice your screen shot your running the Konquerer browser, how is that? I prefer the Netscape on Linux, and didn't know there was an Linux Opera version out? Have you tried it? Any problems with websites and flash and all that crap? Interested to see how any of them handle Front Page only sites...

[Vincent_HRD]

Klausing, check your email again. :)

[Ambience]

I rarely have problems in stability with my windows installs. When I do have stability problems, it's when I decide to tweak my systems above and beyond what they are capable of.

You people who are getting crashes every 30 seconds need to learn how to build a better computer. :D

[EG]

Same Here I am running WinMe on both computers....clean the trash out of the registry and police the system up on a regular basis....only load what I need and dont try to run 99 million things at once. The only blue screen I have gotten is when I take the CD out of the player to early and windows is still looking for it..no crashes of the OS yet....leave it up for a week or two weeks without rebooting....

[Anthaus]

Well, I actually found something Linux does that Windows doesn't (at least with my hadware)...

My Samsung DVD has a hardware protection (no, there's no way to bypass it with firmware hacks) that prevents me from viewing DVDs from different regions. I'm stuck with region 1 (although, here in Mexico region 4 DVDs are way cheaper).

BUT the Xine DVD Player for Linux doesn't check the region protection. So basically, my DVD is now unlocked and fully functional. I can take high quality pictures from my movies (without annoying copyright labels) and it also plays multimedia archives such as Win Media Player, Quicktime, DivX, etc...

If I can get all my Excel archives to KOffice or Gnumeric I'll dump Windows for good....

(Using RedHat 7.2, upgraded to kernel 2.4.17-0.18.athlon and nVidia's 23.14 kernel and GLX drivers).

[Ambience]

Yay Linux allows you to do something illegal!

[Anthaus]

I could go and ditch US$150 for another DVD player for my region 4 discs. Would that be illegal?

Same thing, man. But cheaper. I could buy a multiregion DVD-ROM and I'm pretty sure it would work with Windows.
There's a legal fight over that issue right now.

[Ambience]

You can also download warez much cheaper than you can buy it at the store.

*shrugs*

[EG]

http://www.elby.org/RegionKiller/english/index.htm

[Anthaus]

EGhadsGhost, I already tried those firmware hacks.

Ambience, with warez you don't pay for your products. But I bought all my DVDs in cash... why shouldn't I be able to see them? It's the same question about MP3. It's illegal to download them from the net, but why should I be prevented from making them from my own CDs?

It's not my fault that both Linux and Xine are free.

The whole idea of region encoding is questionable, IMHO. It's just another way to enforce the immoral monopolistic power of the international media powerhouses.

That particular phenomenon is called discrimination and it reduces the people's welfare. That's why certain kinds of monopolies are prohibited.

And yes, my major was in Economics.

[Ronhel]

Where am I wtf am I doing here htf did I get here.

[FluxCapacitor]

I've been using linux for quite some time and I hardly ever booted into Windows until that fateful day I was forced into using AOL. I've said it before and I'll say it again: AOL SUCKS HAIRY GOAT ARSE!!!