Iraq Agrees to Weapons Inspectors

[opus512]

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UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Iraq agreed Monday to allow the unconditional return of U.N. weapons inspectors, a reversal coming days after President Bush warned Baghdad to comply with U.N. resolutions or face military action. The White House dismissed the offer as a tactical move.

``This is not a matter of inspections. It is about disarmament of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and the Iraqi regime's compliance with all other Security Council resolutions,'' White House spokesman Scott McClellan said in a statement. The statement called it ``a tactical step by Iraq,'' likely aimed at dividing the U.N. Security Council and eroding support there for U.S. aims on Iraq.


Aren't the return of the inspectors part of complying with the UN resolutions?

Now that Iraq agree's to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, it's now no longer a matter of inspections?

Can someone tell me exactly what Jr's stance is here?

[Hydra]

Originally posted by opus512
Can someone tell me exactly what Jr's stance is here?

He wants to blow shit up.

[Frostic]

Maybe we should pool our money and buy him a gaming PC. :)

[EG]

Originally posted by opus512
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Aren't the return of the inspectors part of complying with the UN resolutions?

Now that Iraq agree's to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, it's now no longer a matter of inspections?

Can someone tell me exactly what Jr's stance is here?

are the weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq yet?

I can agree to anything...doesnt mean I am going to do it...

[sj_hurst]

Originally posted by EGhadsGhost


are the weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq yet?

I can agree to anything...doesnt mean I am going to do it...

Nope. They (UN) claim that it will take many months to prepare the weapons inspection team for Iraq. :(

[Blackadder]

hopw hard could it be to spot weapons? just look for the green glowing rocks and the buckets of green slimy liquid.

[opus512]

Originally posted by EGhadsGhost


are the weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq yet?

I can agree to anything...doesnt mean I am going to do it...

The head of the inspection teams said he could have inspectors on the ground in a matter of days, but that it would take a couple months to get setup once there. That's the UN's problem, not Iraq's.

The point is, though, is that Iraq has agreed to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, and now all the sudden inspections aren't the point.

But they are the point, not the only point, because that's not the only resolution that Iraq need's to comply with, but it's one of if not the main one.

Jr keeps changing his story. He would be better off just saying hey, I don't like the sonofabitch, and I'm gonna bomb his ass. At least be honest about it, instead of playing the same bullshit word games Saddam is playing.

IMO, of course.

[PaleDuke]

It's about changing the legal head of a sovereign nation. Yes, he's a butcher, yes he's a bastard who deserves to die as much as anyone but he IS the legal head of a sovereign nation. Would the US be upset if an international agency was trying to dictate a change in its leadership ?

As I've said before, just get the hell outta the Middle East and buy oil from the lowest seller. It's all about the oil anyways. Why kill and die when someone's gonna sell it to us anyways ?

[ItsNoot]

Originally posted by PaleDuke
As I've said before, just get the hell outta the Middle East and buy oil from the lowest seller. It's all about the oil anyways. Why kill and die when someone's gonna sell it to us anyways ?

I'm sorry PD, your thoughts aren't welcome here. They make to much sense.

[sj_hurst]

Originally posted by opus512


The head of the inspection teams said he could have inspectors on the ground in a matter of days, but that it would take a couple months to get setup once there. That's the UN's problem, not Iraq's.

The point is, though, is that Iraq has agreed to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, and now all the sudden inspections aren't the point.

But they are the point, not the only point, because that's not the only resolution that Iraq need's to comply with, but it's one of if not the main one.

Jr keeps changing his story. He would be better off just saying hey, I don't like the sonofabitch, and I'm gonna bomb his ass. At least be honest about it, instead of playing the same bullshit word games Saddam is playing.

IMO, of course.

The U.S. military strike was planned for mid-winter anyway. We'll have plenty of time to see if Saddam is telling the truth.

[ukstatboy]

Originally posted by opus512

Jr keeps changing his story. He would be better off just saying hey, I don't like the sonofabitch, and I'm gonna bomb his ass. At least be honest about it, instead of playing the same bullshit word games Saddam is playing.

IMO, of course.

It seems that no one wants war, and yet we get this:


A senior White House official said, "The world has been down this road before." The official said the offer shows that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein "reacts to maximum pressure," adding, "It is not the time to relax any of that pressure."


http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/17/iraq.un/index.html

Sounds like sour grapes from Bush, now that Iraq has agreed to some terms.

[sj_hurst]

Sounds like an accomplishment to me. Bush Jr convinced the world to put enough pressure on Saddam to force him into submission. If Saddam backs down after his latest promise, it'll be much tougher for the UN to oppose U.S. requests for support. If Saddam was lying, then he shot himself in the foot. IMO, either way, it's good news. Like I said, let's wait and see if Saddam will keep his promise.

[opus512]

Stupid thing is, is Saddam could have gotten rid of all his shit 5 years ago, and spent the last four rearming, the dimbass.

[sj_hurst]

Originally posted by opus512
Stupid thing is, is Saddam could have gotten rid of all his shit 5 years ago, and spent the last four rearming, the dimbass.

Yeah, his bio-warfare weapons won't do him much good anyway. The U.S. military is prepared for all sorts of contingencies. That’s one reason why the U.S. prefers a winter strike. It’ll be easier on the soldiers if they’re wearing protective suits in cooler weather.

[Harddave]

Saddam allowing weapons inspections? For how damn long? How long does it take to move a lab? I gaurandamntee you the US could move one in 24 hours, and I bet Saddam's bitches with guns to their heads could do the same thing. He's only buying time and playing everyone for fools. Do you think Iraq has the military capability of the US when based on the same tactics? HELL NO. Let's buy him some time, allow him to make some more cultures, and hope he gets that shipment of nuclear storage cannisters from Russia soon... In case you're not aware, Saddam Hussein has been trying to create nuclear weapons since the early 80's. One of these days he will succeed. Yeah, why don't we wait until he has made one to do something about it?

What price would you rather pay, $200 billion for a war and a few lives lost, or 9/11 100 times over?

[nextbillgates]

Originally posted by Harddave
What price would you rather pay, $200 billion for a war and a few lives lost, or 9/11 100 times over?

What price would you rather pay?
Thousands of military and civilian casualties, an ever-present fear of terror due to Saddam giving his chemical and biological weapons to any terrorist orginzation that wants them, a bloody regional conflic in the ME and general instability throughout the world, and a global recession

or....

Unconditional weapons inspections that give Saddam a very small window of opprtunity to move an insignificant amount of WMD.

It's not really a tough decision.

[Harddave]

Would you rather prevent cancer, or go to chemotherapy to get rid of it?

There is always a price to pay; the longer we wait, the worse the price we will all have to pay. He lied once, he lied twice, he's lied more than ten times, and he will do it again. Lying, like cancer, is a disease. When hard times hit, the first reaction is to rationalize the situation. That is no cure.

[nextbillgates]

Originally posted by Harddave
Would you rather prevent cancer, or go to chemotherapy to get rid of it?

There is always a price to pay; the longer we wait, the worse the price we will all have to pay. He lied once, he lied twice, he's lied more than ten times, and he will do it again. Lying, like cancer, is a disease. When hard times hit, the first reaction is to rationalize the situation. That is no cure.

If Saddam lies again, then military action is justified, and we won't alienate the world in doing so. However, until he does, attacking will only make a bad situation worse.

[Plaster]

Hang on a second. What's with all of this "Unconditional" inspections BS? They didn't say anything about unconditional. Iraqi officials are meeting in 10 days to discuss the conditions of a possible proposal. One condition they've already set forth is that only military installations can be inspected. Sounds like a crock of shit to me. They should be able to inspect whatever they want, whenever they want and without giving 2 days notice.

[opus512]

Originally posted by Plaster
Hang on a second. What's with all of this "Unconditional" inspections BS? They didn't say anything about unconditional. Iraqi officials are meeting in 10 days to discuss the conditions of a possible proposal. One condition they've already set forth is that only military installations can be inspected. Sounds like a crock of shit to me. They should be able to inspect whatever they want, whenever they want and without giving 2 days notice.

Don't know, we'll find out. The reports I have read, though they werearlier in the day, said unconditional.....?

[incandescent]

Originally posted by opus512


Don't know, we'll find out. The reports I have read, though they werearlier in the day, said unconditional.....?

because unconditional sounds better. If you think Saddam is going to turn over and let us all in to see his toys... you're quite the idealist. But hey, I got time, I'll enjoy my new car up until about the point we find that Saddam is lying out his ass and UN has to do something... it's going to be a fun couple of months for me :-D

[EG]

What are the chances Saddam would lie to save his hide....doh

[Hydra]

Bush's latest speech sounded like an apt description of himself at certain points.

Let's go to war, to save the peace.

[Aragon47]

Originally posted by Frostic
Maybe we should pool our money and buy him a gaming PC. :) 0
Dood, I here Jimby is looking to sell his non-Northwood 1.6Ghz P4 proc...

Its a start.

[dookiebot]

Originally posted by opus512
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Now that Iraq agree's to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, it's now no longer a matter of inspections?


I just thought it might be a good idea to bring up this thread from September to see how far we have come in 7 months since Iraq promised compliance and unconditional return of UN weapons inspectors to Iraq.

I think Chile's proposal to the Iraq situation released today best explains how far we've come.

Chile is wanting to give Iraq 3 more weeks to comply with these conditions before using any force against Iraq.

• Identify all stocks of chemical weapons
known to have existed before 1998 or
provide documentation proving they have
been destroyed;

Shouldn't have Iraq already provided this information in September when they said they would comply with UN inspectors?


• Identify all stocks of anthrax known to
have existed before 1998 or provide
documentation proving they have been
destroyed;

Same as above
• Destroy all banned Al Samoud 2
missiles and their components; and

Banned Al Samoud 2 missles? The ones they declared back in September? Oh no, the ones the inspectors found last month.

• Release information regarding any
drone aircraft so that they cannot
disperse chemical weapons.

Even more things the inspectors have found that Iraq should have declared back in September.


I do appreciate Chiles concern for a last ditch peace effort, but looking back over time and seeing where we are today compared to 7 months ago we haven't come far.


Its a shame we didn't topple Saddams regime in 91.

[opus512]

Originally posted by dookiebot

Its a shame we didn't topple Saddams regime in 91.

I'll go along with that from day one :D

I don't think my point in this thread was whether we would get inspections done, but the fact that once they agreed to them, that was no longer the issue Bush was pushing.

[EG]

Originally posted by opus512
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Aren't the return of the inspectors part of complying with the UN resolutions?

Now that Iraq agree's to let the inspectors back in, unconditionaly, it's now no longer a matter of inspections?

Can someone tell me exactly what Jr's stance is here?

There were supposed to be unconditional weapons inspections since 1991....

The UN has let Saddam thumb his nose at them for over 10 years now....

When you build a computer do you wait 10 years for payment or do you expect payment then?

[Bill]

Originally posted by PaleDuke
As I've said before, just get the hell outta the Middle East

What about Israel?

[EG]

Well from What I hear Bush is about to send in 250,000 additional weapons inspectors..lol

[PaleDuke]

Originally posted by Bill


What about Israel?



What about them ?

[MjSwooosh]

Originally posted by PaleDuke




What about them ?

Well, that's the crux of the issue isn't it?

[opus512]

Originally posted by MjSwooosh


Well, that's the crux of the issue isn't it?

Sshhh, don't tell anyone!~