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Ok, so there is a lot of talk about banning cell phones while driving cars.
So... I'd like to shed some light on the situation and show how stupid the whole thing really is, and how ignorant law makers are to ignore the actual facts.
According to a survey conducted, Cell phones are 30 something on the list of the top 50 causes of accidents. Ok... so, cell phones are 30 some odd reasons down the list. Stay with me now.
The number 1 cause of accidents is rubbernecking. People looking at shit on the side of the road. The number 2 is I believe children, and 3 I think is playing with the stereo.
So... let's examine the law makers solutions.
BAN CELL PHONES!
Why?
Becasue there were a few stupid people who caused accidents that the media jumped all over and blew up to be a bigger issue than it actually is.
So... being the dumbasses they are, they decide to go ahead and ban cell phones in some states.
SO NOW... we have put cell phones down on the list from about 30 to lets say 100. Alright... good job. Next time I need to use my phone I will just pull over to the side of the road and use it. So, here I am sitting on the side of the road. People are driving by thinking... "what's that guy doing on the side of the road". So, they look so they can find out.... they RUBBERNECK!
So, we will decrease the 30th cause of accidents, and INCREASE the 1st cause of accidents.
This reasoning wins my ironic jackass award of the week.
That is all.
What do you guys think?
mellotron
12-02-02, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Kermit
Ok, so there is a lot of talk about banning cell phones while driving cars.
So... I'd like to shed some light on the situation and show how stupid the whole thing really is, and how ignorant law makers are to ignore the actual facts.
According to a survey conducted, Cell phones are 30 something on the list of the top 50 causes of accidents. Ok... so, cell phones are 30 some odd reasons down the list. Stay with me now.
The number 1 cause of accidents is rubbernecking. People looking at shit on the side of the road. The number 2 is I believe children, and 3 I think is playing with the stereo.
So... let's examine the law makers solutions.
BAN CELL PHONES!
Why?
Becasue there were a few stupid people who caused accidents that the media jumped all over and blew up to be a bigger issue than it actually is.
So... being the dumbasses they are, they decide to go ahead and ban cell phones in some states.
SO NOW... we have put cell phones down on the list from about 30 to lets say 100. Alright... good job. Next time I need to use my phone I will just pull over to the side of the road and use it. So, here I am sitting on the side of the road. People are driving by thinking... "what's that guy doing on the side of the road". So, they look so they can find out.... they RUBBERNECK!
So, we will decrease the 30th cause of accidents, and INCREASE the 1st cause of accidents.
This reasoning wins my ironic jackass award of the week.
That is all.
What do you guys think?
BAN CHILDREN!!!
msan_msw
12-02-02, 08:17 PM
Just from my experience I think they should be "banned". I don't know how many times I've seen that "Oh crap" look as someone swerves to get back in their lane after talking on the phone while trying to lane switch and almost smacking someone. Most of the annoying things I've seen on the road lately have been because of cell phones. A few days ago I had to honk the ol' horn at someone because they kept talking on the phone after the light turned green and they were so into the phone they didn't even notice.
The biggest gripe I guess is that people lose an awareness of their surroundings while on a phone (vs. radio) and during that they likely only have one hand on the wheel.
You can buy hands free equipment for use in the car ya cheep bastige....
Start banning one thing then they will start getting rid of everything else on the list.
I don't see a big huge problem with cell phones. Idiots are on the road with or without cell phones. I have seen more people almost cause a wreck doing other things than using a phone.
Maybe we ought to think more about banning cars that come from the factory with navigation systems or internet ready systems before you start cracking down on the phone.
It's alot easier to get in a wreck because your trying to figure out direction on a navigation system. Than if you were getting them on the phone. Your eyes don't have to leave the road for that.
And lets not forget the newley installed LCD's in the front dash that have the saftey disabled from them.
opus512
12-02-02, 10:47 PM
Ban people.
I don't think banning cell phones is the right way to go anymore, though I used to. I think instead leave them legal, but triple the fines when your involved in an accident using one.
sj_hurst
12-02-02, 10:48 PM
There's a problem with that. The rising insurance costs...
opus512
12-02-02, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by sj_hurst
There's a problem with that. The rising insurance costs...
The rising insurance cost of tripling the fines? Don't know what you mean there, or if your addressing that particular point....
Anyway, up the deductable when being in an accident using a cell phone, simple.
sj_hurst
12-02-02, 11:08 PM
How's the Insurance Company going to prove that? The other driver as a witness? Then it becomes a matter of who's telling the truth. Thereby, lengthening the time it takes to settle a claim. The insurance companies' costs would still rise, and they'd raise rates anyway.
Harddave
12-02-02, 11:23 PM
How retarded.
What will happen if cell phones are banned in autos?
Some "smart person" will get an ear piece and a mic that sticks to the dash so the cops can't tell if they are using it. Hands free--*HELLO?!?*
The morons that have wrecks while on their cell phones deserve what they get.
My conversations last an average of 20-30 seconds while on mine. Example:
*RING*
"Wassup?"
"Hey dood, where you at?"
"Driving"
"What time you gettin' in?"
"When I get there."
"Aight. Beer's cold. Hurry up. We want to start a game (on the PS2, NCAA or something similar)."
"Ok. L8."
"L8."
*Hang up*
msan_msw
12-02-02, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
You can buy hands free equipment for use in the car ya cheep bastige....
Don't tell me that, tell the people that use phones while they drive.
GrimFaceOfReality
12-03-02, 12:12 AM
Here in NY, handhelds are banned - but you still can use headsets/hands free speaker setup
sj_hurst
12-03-02, 01:34 AM
That brings up a good point that some people seem overlook or ignore. It's not just the inability to concentrate on multiple things at one time, for the people who are accident prone (cell phone users or not). Having two hands on the wheel is sort of important when a collision is imminent.
My point is this.
If you can't concentrate on two things at once... just don't do it. YOU as a person should be heald responsable and should know what you can and cannot do.
I KNOW I can drive and use a cell phone at the same time. I have a hands free kit now that I drive a stick, and simply because it IS safer. HOWEVER, I CAN, and sometimes DO drive and talk without the hands free kit. I've never even been close to an accident because of the cell phone.
HOWEVER, I'm also the same guy who can be typing on a computer while looking at someone else and having a conversation with them. My brain CAN do more than one thing at a time.
People who can't should know they can't and just not do it.
I like Opus's Idea. Tripple fines if someone gets in an accident. This won't have ANYTHING to do with the insurance company as they don't pay the traffic fines. Basically, they'd get a ticket for it. IF someone dies in the accident, bring them up on vehicular manslaughter, or on assult with a deadly weapon charges. Make an example of a few people and I guarentee people will think twice.
My point is this. Use the existing laws to get people to think twice. Don't make new ones. Every new law that's made tramples on more of our freedoms. The criminals still get what they want when they want, and the good law abiding citizens still have to deal with all these new laws. Guns is a prime example. Do you honestly think a guy who's going to rob a bank is going to get his gun via the brady bill? Honestly now.... Meanwhile, while he's robbing the bank, a man standing in line waiting is thinking "damn that waiting period... if I had had my gun already I could stop this"
The more laws we allow to be made, the more freedoms you hand over. Take video games as another example. Grand Theft Auto. people are/were all up in arms about it. "we should ban video games like this cause kids will get them, blah blah blah" Well hell... maybe we should ban EVERYTHING kids could get in trouble with. let's ban baseball bats, let's ban ciggarettes, lets's ban guns, let's ban cars, let's ban rated R movies, let's ban pretty much everything but bread. Hell, we'd even have to ban rocks cause they could be thrown through windows.
You see my point. This country was founded on freedoms. The idea is that people take responsibility for their own actions. The second people start handing their freedoms over for new laws to make it "easier" is the same second this country becomes a communist country.
Cell phones are just one aspect of it. For people who love their freedoms so much, they sure are quick to give up another one all because of a stupid media frenzy.
Come on people... where's the logic? Banning cell phones is ignorant. There are much better ways to make people accountable for their actions.
Originally posted by Kermit
My point is this.
If you can't concentrate on two things at once... just don't do it. YOU as a person should be heald responsable and should know what you can and cannot do.
How does that help the person that was killed because some idiot was talking on their cell phone while driving?
Talking on the phone AT ALL while driving (This includes hands free) is banned here, personally I think it's a good decision considering how many idiots you see playing musical lanes because they're on the phone.
The simple fact is that people are morons, most people overestimate their own abilities.
GrimFaceOfReality
12-03-02, 10:13 AM
Kermit, I have no problems with people talking, be it with the passenger or via cell phone, as long as then keep their hands on the wheel. The argument you are making sounds awfully close to the stuff that was said when blood-alcohol limits were first proposed. Just watch:
"I KNOW I can drive after having some drinks. I usually don't drive after drinking, and simply because it IS safer. HOWEVER, I CAN, and sometimes DO drive after an evening with my buddies at the bar. I've never even been close to an accident because of drinking. HOWEVER, I'm also the same guy who can derive Schrödinger’s equation after 5 shots of JD. My CAN hold my liquor very well.
People who can't should know they can't and just not do it.
I like Opus's Idea. Tripple fines if someone gets in an accident. This won't have ANYTHING to do with the insurance company as they don't pay the traffic fines. Basically, they'd get a ticket for it. IF someone dies in the accident, bring them up on vehicular manslaughter, or on assult with a deadly weapon charges. Make an example of a few people and I guarentee people will think twice.
<snip>
Alcohol is just one aspect of it. For people who love their freedoms so much, they sure are quick to give up another one all because of a stupid media frenzy.
Come on people... where's the logic? Banning drinking and driving is ignorant. There are much better ways to make people accountable for their actions."
Originally posted by Wamphyr
How does that help the person that was killed because some idiot was talking on their cell phone while driving?
Talking on the phone AT ALL while driving (This includes hands free) is banned here, personally I think it's a good decision considering how many idiots you see playing musical lanes because they're on the phone.
The simple fact is that people are morons, most people overestimate their own abilities.
Well... here's the deal. When you get in a car you are taking a chance with your life. There are far worse things than cell phones. Drunk drivers for instance. There are lots of things that could cause distractions. A lot more than just cell phones. They don't ban raidos. They don't ban DVD players in cars. They don't ban kids, or talking to passengers. How is talking to a passenger different than talking on a phone iwth a hands free kit? No difference at all.
People are going to die in car accidents. There is no way around it. Banning cell phones is not the answer... it won't do jack. People are still going to do it. And as I said... it will increase accidents caused by rubbernecking wich again is the number 1 cause of accidents.
Ambience
12-03-02, 11:13 AM
Ban cell phones alltogether. There's no reason to be talking to someone in public. Especially phone sex.
msan_msw
12-03-02, 11:58 AM
I'd like to see a references for "rubber necking"... All I can find is a term called "Driver Distraction" and cell phones are a cause of "driver distraction" as outlined by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/
There is an interesting article about wireless technology in vehilces here:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/wireless/
I do agree with Grim in a few respects. There have been many laws passed that provide for the public safety as well as for individual safety. Seat belt legislation, helmet laws for motorcycle use, DUI laws, all the way to "stop signs" are all there for a reason. Wireless technology is new and hasn't been regulated yet but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated and that just because it's new it doesn't mean it isn't a safety risk.
I'll have to find the study online. They were talking about it on the radio and I forget the name of the company/research firm that did the study.
msan_msw
12-03-02, 02:14 PM
You just can't make stuff like this up....
I had to run to the bank earlier and while pulling out of the lot a teenage girl in a blue civic jumped out and almost hit me. I looked at her and guess what... cell phone. The kicker... I could read her lips and she said to the person on the other end "...... almost got in a wreck"... and she started laughing with the other person. I didn't get mad at all, but I knew I had to come back and tell the story in this thread. It doesn't prove anything but I thought it was kinda funny none the less :D At least she didn't give me the finger. The only time I get mad on the road is when someone almosts hits me then gives me the finger like I did something wrong...
opus512
12-03-02, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by msan_msw
The only time I get mad on the road is when someone almosts hits me then gives me the finger like I did something wrong...
I'm fortunate to be living in such an amazing time as now, as science has apparently rid the world of the foul odor of poo, since no one's shit stinks anymore!
People amaze me when they so obviously do something wrong, and look around like "What? I didn't do it, my shit don't stink!"
My Dad describes it as there being two people in an elevator, and one farts, and they both look around like "Who farted?"
Ambience
12-03-02, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by opus512
I'm fortunate to be living in such an amazing time as now, as science has apparently rid the world of the foul odor of poo, since no one's shit stinks anymore!
People amaze me when they so obviously do something wrong, and look around like "What? I didn't do it, my shit don't stink!"
My Dad describes it as there being two people in an elevator, and one farts, and they both look around like "Who farted?"
That's my take on political ideologies.
Originally posted by Kermit
They don't ban DVD players in cars.
They did here, it's illegal for the screen to be in view of the driver when it is in motion, if the screen IS visible to the driver, it will cut out when the car starts to move to stop retards watching TV while driving.
They don't ban kids, or talking to passengers. How is talking to a passenger different than talking on a phone iwth a hands free kit? No difference at all.
It's obviously different, your passenger will require a lot less concentration than someone you are talking to on the phone due to the fact that you can hear a real passenger a lot easier.
People are going to die in car accidents. There is no way around it. Banning cell phones is not the answer... it won't do jack. People are still going to do it. And as I said... it will increase accidents caused by rubbernecking wich again is the number 1 cause of accidents.
Obviously you have a personal reason to want cell phones allowed on the phones, that's why you can't see how ridiculous what you are saying is :).
Originally posted by msan_msw
Don't tell me that, tell the people that use phones while they drive.
was talkin to kermie ya bastige.....:P
msan_msw
12-03-02, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
was talkin to kermie ya bastige.....:P
Sorry.. too many gun fights.. itchy trigger finger :D :P
Originally posted by msan_msw
Sorry.. too many gun fights.. itchy trigger finger :D :P
try cortizone cream..........:D
>>They did here, it's illegal for the screen to be in view of the driver when it is in motion, if the screen IS visible to the driver, it will cut out when the car starts to move to stop retards watching TV while driving.<<
That is supposed to be the case here in the states. But retards tend to be a little smarter than you give them credit and figure out how to bypass this feature.
>>It's obviously different, your passenger will require a lot less concentration than someone you are talking to on the phone due to the fact that you can hear a real passenger a lot easier.<<
I would have to dissagree slightley. It may be easier to hear someone in your car next to you but there is still the chance you can get distracted. An argument would be a perfect example.
>>Obviously you have a personal reason to want cell phones allowed on the phones, that's why you can't see how ridiculous what you are saying is :).<<
Im not going there because this was not posted directly at me. But I would say you might want to reword it because it makes no sense right now ;).
sj_hurst
12-05-02, 08:08 PM
I'm sure it's just a minor mistake. It should probably read like this...
Obviously you have a personal reason to want cell phones allowed on the roads, that's why you can't see how ridiculous what you are saying is
Originally posted by BCRICH
That is supposed to be the case here in the states. But retards tend to be a little smarter than you give them credit and figure out how to bypass this feature.
Not every retard would bypass the feature though, so that would lower the rate of crashes due to people watching DVDs.
Im not going there because this was not posted directly at me. But I would say you might want to reword it because it makes no sense right now ;).
Everyone is bound to make mistakes every now and again, anyone who can't figure out what I meant probably wouldn't understand what the conversation is about anyway.
>>Not every retard would bypass the feature though, so that would lower the rate of crashes due to people watching DVDs.<<
The same could be said about cell phones. Not everyone has a problem driving while using a cell phone. But some people out there can't use them and drive worth a darn. Just like the few people out there that can watch DVD while driving are still there. So If you think they should ban cell phones because they are distracting to a few people that can't use them and drive. Then they should ban DVD's in cars also just because there are some people that have made it possible to watch them while driving.
Lets not forget that I also said something about Navigation systems earlier in this post. They have a screen Just like a DVD and they are not disabled when the vehicle is in motion. Although they are not in a huge amount of vehicles right now but their numbers are growing buy the production year of vehicles.
I think anything with a TV screen that forces you to take your eyes off the road would be a lot more prone to causing an accident than talking into a phone.
I think accidents can be caused by all these things that have been listed. And there are all types of distractions that a person deals with every day. But the flat out truth is some people just can't drive and have their heads in their arses when it comes to driving, and thoses are usually the ones you see that are causing accidents whith phones, radios, kids, DVD's ect..
>>Everyone is bound to make mistakes every now and again, anyone who can't figure out what I meant probably wouldn't understand what the conversation is about anyway. <<
I know what you meant. I was just letting you know you might want to reword it before someone gave you a bunch of crap for it thats all.
Originally posted by BCRICH
So If you think they should ban cell phones because they are distracting to a few people that can't use them and drive. Then they should ban DVD's in cars also just because there are some people that have made it possible to watch them while driving.
They should (and have, here) banned both, I agree with it. Some people can't drive period, they make it illegal to drive without a license though (Although it's way too easy to get one, at least it is here), I can't exactly say I can see a cell phone or DVD watching license anytime soon though.
Lets not forget that I also said something about Navigation systems earlier in this post. They have a screen Just like a DVD and they are not disabled when the vehicle is in motion. Although they are not in a huge amount of vehicles right now but their numbers are growing buy the production year of vehicles.
I think anything with a TV screen that forces you to take your eyes off the road would be a lot more prone to causing an accident than talking into a phone.
A lot of navigation systems actually tell you which way to turn so you don't need to look at the screen, I think they should be legal, the ones where you have to take your eyes off the road shouldn't be (Unless the screen turns off during motion and then switches back on when the car stops).
HUDs would probably be the way to go.
I think accidents can be caused by all these things that have been listed. And there are all types of distractions that a person deals with every day. But the flat out truth is some people just can't drive and have their heads in their arses when it comes to driving, and thoses are usually the ones you see that are causing accidents whith phones, radios, kids, DVD's ect..
I've almost been run over a few times by people on mobile phones who aren't paying attention, I guess when they're on the phone they think they can do whatever they want, including speeding through pedestrian crossings while people are on it. If banning them saves mine or another persons life, I think it would be worth it.
I think the government should just get it over with and make licenses harder to get.
I think it is a great idea to ban cell phones while driving. There are way too many people that do not know how to drive while holding a phone. It causes too much accidents and from experience I was almost killed by a cellphone driver.
I think the concept of Handfree is a whole lot better because you can still talk on the phone, but you can also pay better attention on the road. This prevents from people getting hurt and possibly killed.
Originally posted by Wamphyr
They should (and have, here) banned both, I agree with it. Some people can't drive period, they make it illegal to drive without a license though (Although it's way too easy to get one, at least it is here), I can't exactly say I can see a cell phone or DVD watching license anytime soon though.
A lot of navigation systems actually tell you which way to turn so you don't need to look at the screen, I think they should be legal, the ones where you have to take your eyes off the road shouldn't be (Unless the screen turns off during motion and then switches back on when the car stops).
HUDs would probably be the way to go.
I've almost been run over a few times by people on mobile phones who aren't paying attention, I guess when they're on the phone they think they can do whatever they want, including speeding through pedestrian crossings while people are on it. If banning them saves mine or another persons life, I think it would be worth it.
I think the government should just get it over with and make licenses harder to get.
I agree with all the above.
BTW I think they should just make people take their drivers tests while using their cell phones. That should weed out a lot of the idiots. :D
Originally posted by BCRICH
BTW I think they should just make people take their drivers tests while using their cell phones. That should weed out a lot of the idiots. :D
That is a good point, but there will be like way too many people having to take a test. I think that it should be just banned and only able to use hand free cell phone adapters. It is a lot safer since there are too many morons out there that are not able to drive with one. I still do not understand why they have to talk while they are driving. Cant they wait till they get out of the car or park someplace? Geez! LOL Driving is more important
It is illegal here in Belgium. Handsfree is allowed. And everything said about it being unsafe is true!
One hand on the steering wheel? How about NO hands? 1 hand is holding the phone, and the other has to steer AND shift, and use everything from indicators to windshield wipers. I've been behind cellphone users (yes, it IS illegal, but who's gonna see it, right?). Pulling away from a stop sign is apparently very difficult: slow as hell, swerving, switching to another lane (without using the indicators), then as I'm about to overtake, switching lanes again (WITHOUT using the indicators!!!!!!) Almost hit the fucker and he didn't even notice!!!
I hate the users of cellphones at any possible location already (like stores, restaurants, train), but there simply is NO PLACE for it behind the wheel of a car!
I just think you have to be a complete idiot if you are unable to talk and drive at the same time. It's almost as bad as not being able to chew gum and walk at the same time. I just don't see how it is so freakin difficult. I have never had a problem being able to drive while I talk on the phone. I guess there are just more idiots in the world than we are let to believe.
Originally posted by BCRICH
I just think you have to be a complete idiot if you are unable to talk and drive at the same time. It's almost as bad as not being able to chew gum and walk at the same time. I just don't see how it is so freakin difficult. I have never had a problem being able to drive while I talk on the phone. I guess there are just more idiots in the world than we are let to believe.
true dat'!
Originally posted by BCRICH
I just think you have to be a complete idiot if you are unable to talk and drive at the same time. It's almost as bad as not being able to chew gum and walk at the same time. I just don't see how it is so freakin difficult. I have never had a problem being able to drive while I talk on the phone. I guess there are just more idiots in the world than we are let to believe.
Driving + talking = no prob
Driving + holding phone + talking = dangerous
Or are you going to say you're actually better at driving a car with only 1 hand?
>>Driving + talking = no prob<<
>>Driving + holding phone + talking = dangerous<<
>>Or are you going to say you're actually better at driving a car with only 1 hand?<<
Do it all the time. With or without a phone. It's called an automatic transmission :rolleyes:
Does that one handed driving rule exclude people that are missing limbs such as an arm or a leg? Or should we ban them also? :rolleyes:
I don't have a problem with hands free use of phones, but this topic is about geting rid of them in vehicles all togeather. Maybe some of you can't seem to drive without two hands, I don't know. I have done it for over 8 years. I have not had any accidents that were my fault or caused any. I used to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission. I did not use the phone unless I was pulled over or running down the highway where I did not need to shift gears.
The point I am trying to make is 8 out of every 10 people in the US alone have cell phones. That is why cell phones are so high on the list of causing accidents. You take any of those other things on the list and put them in 8 out of every 10 cars and I am sure they would rate a lot higher. So if your going to ban cell phones from cars you might as well ban everything that is distracting.
I am not always on my phone. But when I need to use it I would like to be able to without someone saying I can't because a few idiots just cant seem to use their own phones safely.
You want to ban something that causes accidents. Ban old people. I about get hit or in a wreck almost everyday because some old fart that shouldn't be operating a wheelchair much less a car is on the road driving in all the lanes but the one they are supposed to be in. Half of them can't even do 75% of the speed limit and tap their brakes going up hills because they are too scared of driving anymore because they don't trust their own judgement.
I have by far almost gottin in more wrecks because of an old person than by anyone using a phone.
Inexperienced drivers such as 16 year olds cause more wrecks than people on cell phones in the city I live in. Ban them also.
So if your going to pick on one driving problem pick on them all.
ummm.. I guess just ban all drivers?
Originally posted by BCRICH
So if your going to pick on one driving problem pick on them all.
What about old people, inexperienced drivers and 16y olds using cellphones? If you're allowed to use 'em, so are they...
A lot of the other driving problems CAN'T be solved. Cellphones CAN, and very easy at that. Even if there are only 1% less accidents by banning them, that's still 1% less accidents.
And the solution is so simple. If you WANT to phone in a car, GET a HANDS FREE KIT... It's not like they're that expensive, or you'll have to buy a now one every other week...
Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
ummm.. I guess just ban all drivers?
No just Texans. They should still be on horses. :P
>>What about old people, inexperienced drivers and 16y olds using cellphones? If you're allowed to use 'em, so are they...<<
And theres your majority of idiots that you see with their heads in their arses talking on phones. Just because some people can't use a phone in a safe manner doesn't mean everyone can't.
Change cellphones to guns in this thread and see how opinions change. There are idiots out there that kill people with guns all the time. So should you ban all guns from people that can responsibly use a firearm just because a few can't? It's not much different if you think about it.
>>A lot of the other driving problems CAN'T be solved. Cellphones CAN, and very easy at that. Even if there are only 1% less accidents by banning them, that's still 1% less accidents.<<
Screening who you give a license to would reduce 1% of accidents also. They will give anyone a license now days. I was hit and almost killed by a drunk driver that had 4 DWI's prior to hitting me and he still had a license. I have had 3 cars distroyed and 2 knee surguries because of drunk drivers that have been cought drinking a driving before. My Grandmother has parkinsons :spelling: And gets lost walking but they were going to give her one also. My ex girlfriend had epilepsy and lied about it and got her license. Just a month before she went and got it she had a sezure.
There are so many other things in cars that could also be banned just as easily, Complex radio's, internet, TV screens of all sorts, makeup in cars, reading, and the list keeps going. Yes phones in cars can cause accidents. So can all this other stuff, but it's ok. Thats why you can buy cars from the factory internet ready. Just one example. Lets surf the web while driving thats not as dangerous as driving while talking on a phone. :rolleyes:
>>And the solution is so simple. If you WANT to phone in a car, GET a HANDS FREE KIT... It's not like they're that expensive, or you'll have to buy a now one every other week...<<
So which is it? Ban them or get hands free? Just the quote above this one you said ban them.
Like I said I don't have a problem with hands free. But this topic was about banning cell phones not converting them to hands free.
Now if you want to change the toppic to all cell phones in cars should be hands free by law. Then fine I will agree with that 100%.
Originally posted by BCRICH
Now if you want to change the toppic to all cell phones in cars should be hands free by law. Then fine I will agree with that 100%.
*sigh*
Either you are dim, or I am, but I thought that was the case from the beginning...
I went from this...
Originally posted by GrimFaceOfReality
Here in NY, handhelds are banned - but you still can use headsets/hands free speaker setup
And then even added that the situation in Belgium is the same as Grim described... So they are banned, unless you're using them hands free...
Originally posted by Cop
*sigh*
Either you are dim, or I am, but I thought that was the case from the beginning...
I went from this...
And then even added that the situation in Belgium is the same as Grim described... So they are banned, unless you're using them hands free...
I am going from the topic which is BAN CELL PHONES?
So I guess we are both a little dim :D I thought you were going by the topic.
Duuuh, whatcha doing, George? ;)
MaC_DaDDy
12-12-02, 03:52 PM
Don't ban em if you have a hands free device in your car.
so should fapping be banned in cars too?
Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
so should fapping be banned in cars too?
Unless you actually want the fire department to cut your dead body out of your wrecked car, dick still in hand...
so what about hands free fapping devices ?
Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
so what about hands free fapping devices ?
You mean the woman (man?) next to you?
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