SW Ep. III...

[Mole]

I was just reading the trivia section of it @ imdb...

Samuel L. Jackson, (Mace Windu), said that he knows he must die in this film, so he told George Lucas that he'll only do the film if Mace Windu goes out in a blaze of glory.



I think it will be the best one of the new trilogy; It's supposed to be the darkest SW film of em all.

Also:

(possible spoiler)

George Lucas allowed a short scene for Episode III to be shot in the Tunisian desert during the production of Episode II, to avoid the inconvenience of having to fly the team back out and shoot the scene three years later. It is widely rumored to be the so-called 'Harry Potter' scene, in which Obi-Wan Kenobi delivers the infant Luke Skywalker to his aunt and uncle.

[$hortyDaPimp]

I don't even think I'll pay to see this one... what happened to Georgie? :(

[MaC_DaDDy]

I still haven't seen the second one.

[Lollan]

Originally posted by MaC_DaDDy
I still haven't seen the second one.


you are only missing out on uber nipplage. I am highly dissapointed with Jango's death!

[Cop]

Originally posted by Stryker



you are only missing out on uber nipplage.

*fap fap fap*

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Stryker
you are only missing out on uber nipplage. I am highly dissapointed with Jango's death!

Have you ever seen RotJ?

And please don't argue that Boba was "brought back" later on in the EU, because evidently he was intended to die in the third film of the original trilogy.

[melchy]

Im more interested in Indiana Jones 4 which is being shot by Spielberg at the same time Lucas is doing Ep 3. I've a real strong feeling that Indy's last adventure is going to be a good film.

[dookiebot]

Indiana Jones 4?

Instead of beating the bad guys with a whip is harrison ford going to be using a cane?

[dookiebot]

www.supershadow.com

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
Im more interested in Indiana Jones 4 which is being shot by Spielberg at the same time Lucas is doing Ep 3. I've a real strong feeling that Indy's last adventure is going to be a good film.

I think you may belong to the minority there...

Seriously, I have far greater doubts about Indy 4 than Ep 3.

[1badjedi]

Who cares. They'll both be great fun to see. :)

[melchy]

Originally posted by Blidd


I think you may belong to the minority there...

Seriously, I have far greater doubts about Indy 4 than Ep 3.

I dunno, there's already been two pretty poor Star Wars prequels as far as the original trilogy goes, so theres already a basis to say that 3 wont be all that hot. I definately hold out more hope for Indy. Hopefully Ep 3 will at least live a little up to what i expect about the creation of Darth Vader etc. Harrison Ford can still kick ass even at his age, so i dont think the physical side of playing Indy will prove to be a problem. They wouldnt film it if they thought that and only Ford can play the part. They have also stated that in order for the project to go ahead (which it is) they needed to have a story which Lucas, Spielberg and Ford all agree'd was good. They know that they have to try to match Raiders of the Lost Ark which isnt an easy feat. The fact that the story has to be agree'd on by several people and not just one as in Lucas and the Star Wars Trilogy means that the story and dialog has a good change of being better. Lets face it Spielberg is also a much better director than Lucas, so that alone bodes well for Indy.

[marianozz]

I seriously (and sadly) pretty much dont care about EP3. I do have hopes for Indy, but the realist in me aint expecting much, either...

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
I dunno, there's already been two pretty poor Star Wars prequels as far as the original trilogy goes, so theres already a basis to say that 3 wont be all that hot.

:dunno:

I always find it interesting nobody ever complained about RotJ anymore (the token SW-film to hate) after TPM - not that the latter is better, but people who complain about George being all about commerce or being a crap screenwriter or whatever should take a really fucking good look at ANH and RotJ (ESB is to be ignored by default, seeing as Lawrence Kasdan did the screenplay) and all the merchandise surrounding the films.

It also seems very few people appreciate the fact that there's some genuine politics, plot development and mystery being put into the series; something we've only seen in the expanded universe up to TPM. Hell, even if they're not as constantly captivating as the original trilogy, they bored me far less than the first 1.5 hours of The Two Towers which just about everyone thought was just about the goddamned best film of all time (nonsense).


I definately hold out more hope for Indy.

I do believe Ford would only do it if Calista Flockheart could be in there, so it can't be that great to begin with. Seriously, I really really liked the guy for ages but his attitude is starting to become more than a little questionable.

Hopefully Ep 3 will at least live a little up to what i expect about the creation of Darth Vader etc.

I do expect so, it's probably going to be the last Star Wars movie ever after all.

Harrison Ford can still kick ass even at his age, so i dont think the physical side of playing Indy will prove to be a problem. They wouldnt film it if they thought that and only Ford can play the part. They have also stated that in order for the project to go ahead (which it is) they needed to have a story which Lucas, Spielberg and Ford all agree'd was good.

Not to be too cynical, but do you trust Lucas and Ford to pick out a good story? Even Spielberg's had his fair share of "eh" scenarios.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by marianozz
I seriously (and sadly) pretty much dont care about EP3.

That you don't expect much I can kind of understand, but I don't see why you wouldn't care unless you don't care about Star Wars anymore altogether (which I'd consider a mistake, at least if you haven't read most of the New Republic novels yet).

[melchy]

Originally posted by Blidd


:dunno:

I always find it interesting nobody ever complained about RotJ anymore (the token SW-film to hate) after TPM - not that the latter is better, but people who complain about George being all about commerce or being a crap screenwriter or whatever should take a really fucking good look at ANH and RotJ (ESB is to be ignored by default, seeing as Lawrence Kasdan did the screenplay) and all the merchandise surrounding the films.

It also seems very few people appreciate the fact that there's some genuine politics, plot development and mystery being put into the series; something we've only seen in the expanded universe up to TPM. Hell, even if they're not as constantly captivating as the original trilogy, they bored me far less than the first 1.5 hours of The Two Towers which just about everyone thought was just about the goddamned best film of all time (nonsense).




I do believe Ford would only do it if Calista Flockheart could be in there, so it can't be that great to begin with. Seriously, I really really liked the guy for ages but his attitude is starting to become more than a little questionable.



I do expect so, it's probably going to be the last Star Wars movie ever after all.



Not to be too cynical, but do you trust Lucas and Ford to pick out a good story? Even Spielberg's had his fair share of "eh" scenarios.

I admit that Return of the Jedi is the weakest of the original trilogy, visably wooden acting and those damn Ewoks :D But it still had something the new ones dont and as such for me the worst of the original trilogy is still better than either of the 2 from the new trilogy. Now whether thats down to the actors or the newness of the whole genre at the time or something else i cant say.

If you want to see plot development, politics and more than a little mystery in a Sci-Fi universe, dealt with in a truely mature way, watch Babylon 5. The development of those themes within the Star Wars universe, or rather the films at least is fairly child like in comparison.

I still hold out great hope for Indy, but i really do hope that Episode 3 is as great as everyone wishes it to be. If Lucas follows what he has done in the previous 2 though, im more than a little dubious that it can be pulled off.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread, back to discussing Ep 3 :D :) :D

[darkadun]

The story is fine in the new triology. It is the acting that is missing. Don't get me wrong, I love ep2. But, think of how the characters were drawn out in the original triology, the emotion, all the funny lines han and leia would say, chewie's grunts, the constant trouble r2 and C-3PO got into, the development of luke from a whiny kid to a powerful jedi, etc. Just the overall magic feeling it gave. Perhaps that was because it was unexpected, I do not know. However, lucas could take cue from Peter Jackson in that lotr has that missing character development and acting quality that the new star wars movies dont. IMO.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
If you want to see plot development, politics and more than a little mystery in a Sci-Fi universe, dealt with in a truely mature way, watch Babylon 5. The development of those themes within the Star Wars universe, or rather the films at least is fairly child like in comparison.

Hey, I didn't say it was Asimov grade material but it's better than NOTHING; how many other recent big-budget sci-fi flicks do you know of that at least give it a try?

I still hold out great hope for Indy, but i really do hope that Episode 3 is as great as everyone wishes it to be. If Lucas follows what he has done in the previous 2 though, im more than a little dubious that it can be pulled off.

Unfortunately it can never be as great as everyone wishes it to be because everyone wants it to be EVERYTHING and more importantly, everyone's really really subjective.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by darkadun
The story is fine in the new triology. It is the acting that is missing. Don't get me wrong, I love ep2. But, think of how the characters were drawn out in the original triology, the emotion, all the funny lines han and leia would say, chewie's grunts, the constant trouble r2 and C-3PO got into, the development of luke from a whiny kid to a powerful jedi, etc. Just the overall magic feeling it gave. Perhaps that was because it was unexpected, I do not know. However, lucas could take cue from Peter Jackson in that lotr has that missing character development and acting quality that the new star wars movies dont. IMO.

Actually, there's far more character development in the new trilogy than there ever was before. The only character who seriously changed throughout the first three films was Luke.

On the other hand, in the new trilogy we've got Obi-wan, Anakin and (to a lesser extent) Padme.

I can't say I really disagree on the acting, but I think it's important to keep in mind that the most criticism on that part is directed at Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen, both of whom are young and inexperienced and are a little out of luck in the way of lines as well. The LotR trilogy relies heavily on older, more experienced actors and obviously the kind of dialogue that's already present in the books.

The point you make about the interaction between the main characters is valid, though. It is true that the lack of Han' witticisms and Leia's sarcastic remarks hurts the overal experience. There just doesn't seem to be the kind of "chemistry" between the actors that those in the original trilogy did have.

[melchy]

Originally posted by Blidd


Hey, I didn't say it was Asimov grade material but it's better than NOTHING; how many other recent big-budget sci-fi flicks do you know of that at least give it a try?



Unfortunately it can never be as great as everyone wishes it to be because everyone wants it to be EVERYTHING and more importantly, everyone's really really subjective.

Apart from the paltry excuse for politics in all the Star Trek movies, none :D The Star Wars story is really just a modern fairy tale and as such is meant to be kind of child like and thats part of the reason why its liked by all folks :D As such though, it can never really be overly complicated. It will be interesting to see just how mature the story is in Episode 3.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
Apart from the paltry excuse for politics in all the Star Trek movies, none :D

Hmm, perhaps any of these subtleties are just lost on the public at large. After all, I seem to recall that Babylon 5 was always a bit of a cult series, never really mainstream...

The Star Wars story is really just a modern fairy tale and as such is meant to be kind of child like and thats part of the reason why its liked by all folks :D As such though, it can never really be overly complicated. It will be interesting to see just how mature the story is in Episode 3.

True, true and true. :)

[melchy]

Originally posted by Blidd


Hmm, perhaps any of these subtleties are just lost on the public at large. After all, I seem to recall that Babylon 5 was always a bit of a cult series, never really mainstream...



True, true and true. :)


It was mainstream enough :) It just never had the name Star Trek in the title. As for the subtleties, threads would be tied up 3 seasons later, a little piece of information dropped into a scene may seem insignificant at the time, but a season or so later you realise just how import that little piece of information was :) It wasnt for everyone, you really had to follow the story and keep your wits around you.

If i could recommend one episode to watch which deals with politics, prophecy etc, it would be season 2's Hugo award winning "The Coming of Shadows".

Anyway enough of me sidetracking the thread already :D

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
It was mainstream enough :) It just never had the name Star Trek in the title.

Point. There's hardly any sci-fi series lasting more than two or three seasons that isn't Star Trek these days.

I really wish they'd continued Space: Above and Beyond for one thing, especially with that cliffhanger at the end of the season...

If i could recommend one episode to watch which deals with politics, prophecy etc, it would be season 2's Hugo award winning "The Coming of Shadows".

Maybe I'll try and follow the series more closely if they rerun it again.

[dryass]

who gives a shit

star wars is just abunch of hoodlems running around with lighted sticks and guns

phantom of the whatever, was ok, but the 2nd one was really boring in my opinion, the only part that had some exitment was of course yoda fighting, because it was unexpected. (least for me)

dont understand what the big deal is... its so boring to watch

[darkadun]

Originally posted by dryass
who gives a shit

star wars is just abunch of hoodlems running around with lighted sticks and guns

phantom of the whatever, was ok, but the 2nd one was really boring in my opinion, the only part that had some exitment was of course yoda fighting, because it was unexpected. (least for me)

dont understand what the big deal is... its so boring to watch

eh, its just you dood. You never like that type of stuff. You are really picky about your movies. You also never like seeing things more than once.

Originally posted by Blidd
The point you make about the interaction between the main characters is valid, though. It is true that the lack of Han' witticisms and Leia's sarcastic remarks hurts the overal experience. There just doesn't seem to be the kind of "chemistry" between the actors that those in the original trilogy did have.

Exactly. Chemistry is the word Im was looking for. Dont get me wrong, I like padme and anakin, but the chemistry is missing between everyone.

[dryass]

star wars as a movie is a missing

hoodlems, in dresses, with glow sticks.

give me a break.

[MaC_DaDDy]

I liked ROTJ the most. I liked the ewoks a lot and I think they should have em in EP3 that would own and make the movie sell trillions of tickets.

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by dryass
star wars as a movie is a missing
Incorrect.

[Lollan]

Originally posted by Blidd


Have you ever seen RotJ?

And please don't argue that Boba was "brought back" later on in the EU, because evidently he was intended to die in the third film of the original trilogy.

HE DIDNT DIE. Did you read the book?

Yes, Boba's "death" suxed much more than Jangos.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Stryker
HE DIDNT DIE. Did you read the book?

What book? The RotJ novelization or the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy?

Yes, Boba's "death" suxed much more than Jangos.

Indeed. It's kind of a pity Jango didn't get more screentime, but he wasn't the main villain-type character anyway so I wasn't particularly disappointed with his death.

[dookiebot]

Originally posted by Blidd


Indeed. It's kind of a pity Jango didn't get more screentime, but he wasn't the main villain-type character anyway so I wasn't particularly disappointed with his death.

Word. This is my main complaint against the new trilogy.

The premise of these movies is the grand deception of Palpatine becoming the Emperor. It is like the Jedi know something is up but they don't know what it is.

I think it would have been better if Darth Maul wasn't killed until Episode 2 so at least the Jedi had this tangable person to persue.

Then Jango enters the scene in Episode 2 brining in the clone factor, keep him alive until Ep 3 so the Jedi have this tangable person to persue in this aspect.

Then once he is taken out in EP 3 then its too late for the Republic, Palpatine is where he wants to be.

Right now it stands;
EP 1 "Ok we killed this Sith with horns, lets just sit around on our Jedi butts until something happens"

10 years later

EP 2 "Ok there is this clone bounty hunter. Ok we killed him. Lets sit on our butts another 10 years."

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by dookiebot
10 years later

EP 2 "Ok there is this clone bounty hunter. Ok we killed him. Lets sit on our butts another 10 years."

I think it'd be best to wait for Episode 3's release before making such a statement...

[JohnnyWang]

I still havent seen II, and I sucked IMO, jar jar ruined it

[ItsNoot]

For those who haven't seen II - it's worth a rental. The love story between Anakin and Padme is tedious at times, but not horrible IMO. There was only one scene that truly bothered me, my brother and I refer to it as "The Massengil Scene" because it has all the appearances of a "not so fresh feeling" commercial.

All in all it's a major step up from I that's for sure. The land battle at the end was pretty dern awesome. I still get chills when it opens up and the troop support ships fly in smoking some droids... "Around the survivors a perimeter create" OH YEAH! :headbang:

As for the topic - anyone who expects Star Wars to not have a bit O cheese is fooling themself. When's the last time you watched the original trilogy? V was as cheese free as we got. VI was a cheese fest start to finish, and IV was not exactly free of it either, though most was due to acting. We were kids when we saw the first trilogy and it was the greatest thing ever :D Try to put yourself in that mindset and the second trilogy might suddenly become good :)

[Cop]

Originally posted by ItsNoot
For those who haven't seen II - it's worth a rental. The love story between Anakin and Padme is tedious at times, but not horrible IMO. There was only one scene that truly bothered me, my brother and I refer to it as "The Massengil Scene" because it has all the appearances of a "not so fresh feeling" commercial.

All in all it's a major step up from I that's for sure. The land battle at the end was pretty dern awesome. I still get chills when it opens up and the troop support ships fly in smoking some droids... "Around the survivors a perimeter create" OH YEAH! :headbang:

As for the topic - anyone who expects Star Wars to not have a bit O cheese is fooling themself. When's the last time you watched the original trilogy? V was as cheese free as we got. VI was a cheese fest start to finish, and IV was not exactly free of it either, though most was due to acting. We were kids when we saw the first trilogy and it was the greatest thing ever :D Try to put yourself in that mindset and the second trilogy might suddenly become good :)

Well said...

[dryass]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp

Incorrect.

no thats correct

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by dryass
no thats correct
Negative, either you're right, or everyone else in the world is.
I tend to side with them...

[Jack_Tripper]

My biggest problem is with the bad acting. Look at the scene (in EPII) between Jango and Obi-Wan (on that cloning planet thingey)...Obi-Wan knew what was up, Jango knew what was up...hell I think even Boba did...the lines were there...but the whole thing acted out was just painfull to watch (seriously...I had more fun watching the guy who played Jango act like a polynesian pirate in six days seven nights).

Then there's the whole "love"-in with Padme and Anakin...jesus...it's a good thing someone told me they were gonna get it on...because they sure didn't intimate it in the movie. The lines between them were cold...and her little crap "We're gonna die...I truly...deeply...madly...longinly...love you." ...left me feeling like I had just watched a bad episode of Saved by the Bell.

Take that chemistry between Han and Leia...didn't you honestly feel for them when he got put into carbonite...didn't that kiss right before make you feel like they genuinely even...liked eachother. Hell...a little more...like the scene at the end of ESB where Leia is watching Boba's ship take off...and she looks sad...would have gone a long way in making me believe that these two (Anakin and Padme) even wanted to be around eachother...would have helped!

Jack

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by Jack_Tripper
left me feeling like I had just watched a bad episode of Saved by the Bell.
There were bad ones?!

[ItsNoot]

Originally posted by Jack_Tripper
My biggest problem is with the bad acting.

I tend to sway more twoards bad directing. George would do well to let his pal Speilberg direct it and stick to doing effects. IMHO.

[Cop]

Originally posted by ItsNoot


I tend to sway more twoards bad directing. George would do well to let his pal Speilberg direct it and stick to doing effects. IMHO.

There are petitions to have Peter Jackson direct it :D

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
There are petitions to have Peter Jackson direct it :D

I'm already looking forward to a 3-hour film where virtually nothing happens during the first half except for memorable appearances by a schizophrenic Jar-Jar Binks.

[Cop]

Originally posted by Blidd


I'm already looking forward to a 3-hour film where virtually nothing happens during the first half except for memorable appearances by a schizophrenic Jar-Jar Binks.

:slap:

I'm all for a fast pace in a movie, but neither FotR nor TTT struck me as particulary slow... I'm not even a fan of fantasy, but the LotR series are pretty sweet if you ask me...

The only part that took to long were the last 20 or so minutes cuz I had to pee like you wouldn't believe :)

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
I'm all for a fast pace in a movie, but neither FotR nor TTT struck me as particulary slow... I'm not even a fan of fantasy, but the LotR series are pretty sweet if you ask me...

The Fellowship was very very good, The Two Towers was okay.

Sure, Gollum was great, the cinematography was impressive throughout and the battle at Helm's Deep was very engaging, but some 60 minutes of excitement after 120 minutes of nothing much really hurts a film for me.

Honestly, the small skirmishes prior to Helm's Deep are hardly worth mentioning at all (especially when the Uruk-Hai party is attacked in the middle of the night; I could barely see anything happening, what with the conspicuous absence of light sources, many close-ups and epileptic fit-inducing editing), there are far too few dramatic or imaginative scenes (one of the things I liked about The Fellowship was the great variety of beautifully made decors/backgrounds) and without the constant threat of Nazguhl (sp?) I found the greater part of the movie to be surprisingly low on tension.

Technically it's a very good film indeed, particularly because of Helm's Deep, but as far as the story goes it only works as a part of the LotR trilogy. On its own I think it's just too long and unbalanced; if I'm wrong, I'd kindly like anyone who complained about AotC being very boring up to the last half hour (thus making it a film that's not very good) but had nothing but praise for TTT to retract their comments.

[$hortyDaPimp]

IMO TTT had a better first half that AOTC, just a better story with better acting and I had more fun watching it. They were both slow, but I don't mind that in any movie. Comparing them though, I'd rather watch TTT. But that's not to say it compared at all to FOTR or any of original SW Trilogy. It would have, but the humor sucked, really really bad.

Edit: And there was supposed to be a constant threat of the Nazgul, they were shown twice prior to the last battle they were in. I guess Peter assumed people would know this already, the book explains it like a looming fear and he showed them a few times in the sky. Maybe he was wrong...

[Cop]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
Comparing them though, I'd rather watch TTT

I'd rather see SW, but that's because that scifi stuff as opposed to TTT's fantasy and I'm more into spaceships than I am into horses...

[$hortyDaPimp]

I'm more into better acting and a better story... ;):D

[Cop]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
I'm more into better acting and a better story... ;):D

Not so good acting + spaceships > good acting + horses

[$hortyDaPimp]

Neg.

good acting + horses + good story > bad acting + spaceships + less good story

:)

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
IMO TTT had a better first half that AOTC, just a better story with better acting and I had more fun watching it. They were both slow, but I don't mind that in any movie.

:dunno:

I certainly agree TTT had better acting and lines throughout (although there were some scenes I thought were rather cliched and a little more emotion probably wouldn't have gone amiss), but I never thought there was all that much plot development - it was more like watching the pieces move into their respective, predetermined places.

Comparing them though, I'd rather watch TTT. But that's not to say it compared at all to FOTR or any of original SW Trilogy. It would have, but the humor sucked, really really bad.

I do suppose they kind of butchered the Gimli character like that, but it did alleviate some of the tedium in those duller moments for me in any event.

Edit: And there was supposed to be a constant threat of the Nazgul, they were shown twice prior to the last battle they were in. I guess Peter assumed people would know this already, the book explains it like a looming fear and he showed them a few times in the sky. Maybe he was wrong...

I realise that, but the point is that not even Frodo and Sam seem overly concerned about them. Yes, there's one flying overhead in the swamps, ooh, eek, that was pretty scary yessirree but never mind that let's just plough on with little regard for stealth until we actually reach Mordor where there'll be people other than wraiths waiting for us.

Perhaps I'm overly critical, but I suppose that's because those things played a far more important part in The Fellowship and they enhanced the atmosphere a great deal, leaving them conspicuous by their (relative) absence in The Two Towers.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
Not so good acting + spaceships > good acting + horses

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
Neg.

good acting + horses + good story > bad acting + spaceships + less good story

:)

All I know is I'm much more a sci-fi than a fantasy type of guy so I'd usually prefer Cop's combo.

[$hortyDaPimp]

I do suppose they kind of butchered the Gimli character like that, but it did alleviate some of the tedium in those duller moments for me in any event. - It made Gimili into a joke and definitely ruined his character. It also made the movie more "Hollywood", trying to appeal to the average market, and it butchered a lot of what the book made great. It's obvious that the plot in TTT was far better than AOTC, which was exactly how you explained TTT. I can't care what's going on if the characters don't, it's not a book and it failed miserably IMO.

I realise that, but the point is that not even Frodo and Sam seem overly concerned about them. Yes, there's one flying overhead in the swamps, ooh, eek, that was pretty scary yessirree but never mind that let's just plough on with little regard for stealth until we actually reach Mordor where there'll be people other than wraiths waiting for us. - Uh, part of the book man, part of the book. Frodo and Sam are less concerned as they move toward Mordor because they know (in their minds) that it's hopeless. In ROTK this is more obvious, I think they really messed up what the trilogy could've been by not focusing on any of the really, really important underlying feelings that the characters have. Making Gimili into a joke was the worst though.

All I know is that good everything + horses beats bad everything + spaceships any day of the week for me, even if spaceships have the cool factor.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
Uh, part of the book man, part of the book. Frodo and Sam are less concerned as they move toward Mordor because they know (in their minds) that it's hopeless. In ROTK this is more obvious, I think they really messed up what the trilogy could've been by not focusing on any of the really, really important underlying feelings that the characters have. Making Gimili into a joke was the worst though.

Unfortunately I haven't read the books and I somehow expect most people who've seen these films haven't, either. Still, the fact remains that Frodo and Sam seem more than just a little apathetic about the whole ordeal, which is well and all in a book but this doesn't do much for the movie experience. Well, not for me anyway. If it weren't for Gollum those scenes would've ranked REALLY high on my "French arthouse film" scale...

[$hortyDaPimp]

That too, Gollum sucked. He looked incredible, though he wasn't supposed to be a joke either, but a ton of people were laughing.

[marianozz]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
but a ton of people were laughing.


Yeah, the stupid ones... the same ones that laughed at Gimli's "jokes" and burps...




I loved both LOTR movies, but then again, ive read the books... i can certainly understand theyd seem slow or something like that to people that havent read, but, hey, its their loss :)




I guess the same happens to me backwards with SW, where i havent read anything at all, all i knew was the original trilogy, and now that i see the new ones, they SUCK!!!! (in comparison)...

And i dont buy the "you liked them cause we were kids" thing.... ive seen a lot of movies that fascinated me from that age, and now cant stand..., EP4 in the other hand, has me droolin every time... :O

I felt asleep the last time i put the EP1 dvd on, 2 was a huge step forward, still not quite there, not by a long shot.... and i guess the incredibly low expectations i have for 3 will end up making me enjoy it :dunno:... :(

[$hortyDaPimp]

Yeah, the stupid ones... the same ones that laughed at Gimli's "jokes" and burps... - My problem isn't with the people though, it's the parts that were SUPPOSED to be funny, and in the book they either a) didn't happen or b) had funny delivery in the movie. The burp, for example, was supposed to make Gimili funny, but in the book he's not. The sliders guy who played him is funny to look at, but if they wanted to make an adventure-ish movie, they might have been better off with a better person to act as Gimili or at least someone who looks less like a joke.

As for gollum, his voice was just funny, and he looked a lot like a gimpy child. And the times where Sam and him don't get along (the fish scene, for example) are great. But when he's giving a dramatic monologue, such as where he's arguing with himself, then it's the character, the voice and just the idiots you mentioned.

[Cop]

Never having read the books, I thought Gimli did quite allright at delivering a humorous line now and then, and I couldn't care less whether or not he wasn't supposed to be funny in the books or not. The LotR series shouldn't take itself too serious, but the books and certainly the fans do. Despite everything, it's still "just a movie", not some be all end all reference guide to the Tolkien universe... Like I said: I don't like fantasy yet these movies fascinated me and I thank Peter Jackson for that. He could've easily made them into "anorak only" movies, but he actually managed to please most of the fans and still appeal to the general audience and that's great...

As for Smeagol. He wasn't funny, he wasn't funny at all. Sure, some of the stuff he did looked (and sounded) funny and I laughed as well, but the character itself is beyond sad and despite his somewhat comical appearance it really showed, and not just in the scenes where's he's arguing with himself. You can see how he's really trying to be a good guy but how his connection to the ring is tearing him apart, influencing his every move, his every word... I stand by my previous statement that he's the best CGI character ever, bar none...

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
As for Smeagol. He wasn't funny, he wasn't funny at all. Sure, some of the stuff he did looked (and sounded) funny and I laughed as well, but the character itself is beyond sad and despite his somewhat comical appearance it really showed, and not just in the scenes where's he's arguing with himself. You can see how he's really trying to be a good guy but how his connection to the ring is tearing him apart, influencing his every move, his every word... I stand by my previous statement that he's the best CGI character ever, bar none...

True.

Although...

http://blidd.happysuperfun.com/ttengrish_13.jpg
http://blidd.happysuperfun.com/ttengrish_14.jpg
http://blidd.happysuperfun.com/ttengrish_19.jpg

:angel:

[ItsNoot]

Gimli not supposed to be funny? Pfffft... :D In the books he was hilarious! I can't count the number of times I LOL'd reading after one of his one liners. Granted they were replaced by completely different one liners in the movie, but the spirit is still there IMO.

Smeagol however is NOT funny. I didn't think he was, and I thought the people that were laughing were the depraved bastiges all to common in todays society.

[$hortyDaPimp]

Gimili was not supposed to be funny, no. His one-liners were delivered as threats, usually, in the book. In the movie, he's afraid of the Rohirrim, can't see over a wall in battle and burps in the middle of a dramatic scene. Sorry, not supposed to happen. It's not "just a movie", it's a rendition of a book. And to be a rendition of a book, it has to stay true, in the most part, to the book to be any good. Otherwise it's a parody, so don't pretend like the movies should stray from the story, because to be the best movie it can be, it can't.

And I never said Gollum wasn't the best CG character ever, but everybody knows he's not a good transition from the book in a lot of cases. He's incredible too look at, obviously.

[Cop]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
everybody knows he's not a good transition from the book

:dunno:


But fine by be... Be the disgruntled fan, you're not gonna change anything and you can just sit there and be grumpy about all the stuff "that was not exactly like the book" whereas I will genuinly be enjoying the movie for what it is, a great movie...

I win, you lose...

[$hortyDaPimp]

Smaaaaaart. If I criticize the movie (even though I've said that I liked it) I must be disgruntled and grumpy. You criticize movies just as much as I do if it's your field of expertise. I was never even unhappy it wasn't 'just like the book', I know you just wanted to make a point with it but it's wrong. It's a big departure from the book and especially the first movie in a series, and that's a problem for anyone who cares about the movies. It's the same reason Episode I and II of Star Wars suck so bad, they're nothing like the originals and are nowhere near as good.

You should've understood this a long time ago, so I'm not sure why I'm explaining this over again. You lose the point of everything I've posted.

[MaC_DaDDy]

so...
how bout them ewoks?

[$hortyDaPimp]

Ewoks suck except in action figure form.

[MaC_DaDDy]

i loved the ewoks they were one of my favorite parts when i was a little kid watching it

[Lollan]

this one better be good.. since it will be the "last" one.

knowing lucas.. he will probably have another series all lined up and "intended" on it.

[Cop]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
blablabla

Have you noticed you take the opposite stance from whatever anyone says?

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Stryker
this one better be good.. since it will be the "last" one.

knowing lucas.. he will probably have another series all lined up and "intended" on it.

Kinda doubt that, the guy's like 126 years old as it is. Not to mention John Williams, who's been resurrected and now roams the earth as a slowly disintegrating zombie.

[marianozz]

Originally posted by Blidd


Kinda doubt that, the guy's like 126 years old as it is. Not to mention John Williams, who's been resurrected and now roams the earth as a slowly disintegrating zombie.


:ugh:

[dookiebot]

I want to see Alderaan in EP 3.

[marianozz]

Originally posted by dookiebot
I want to see Alderaan in EP 3.


No! Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons. You can't possibly... :(

[dookiebot]

Originally posted by marianozz



No! Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons. You can't possibly... :(

Exactly. I think showing Alderaan in EP 3 will make its demise in EP 4 all the more relevant.

[marianozz]

Originally posted by dookiebot


Exactly. I think showing Alderaan in EP 3 will make its demise in EP 4 all the more relevant.

Yup...



LOL... i see it already... big grassy fields full of guys and chicks with long hair and Leia style dresses (no bras), prancing around, blowin soap bubbles and strummin accoustic guitars... :D


DUUUUDE... whats that round thing?? is it pointing at us?? WHOAA!!!! THEY SETTIN US UP THE BOMB!!!! :eek: :O:O

/poof!

[ItsNoot]

Originally posted by marianozz

LOL... i see it already... big grassy fields full of guys and chicks with long hair and Leia style dresses (no bras), prancing around, blowin soap bubbles and strummin accoustic guitars... :D


Noooooooooooooooooooo! Not the massengil scene again :mecry:

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by Cop
Have you noticed you take the opposite stance from whatever anyone says?
Edit: Nevermind. You don't understand that you're a specialist in disagreeing on purpose. If I liked The Two Towers, you'd love to point out all its faults.

[Cop]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp

Edit: Nevermind. You don't understand that you're a specialist in disagreeing on purpose. If I liked The Two Towers, you'd love to point out all its faults.

I'M A SPECIALIST IN DISAGREEING ON PURPOSE!!!

???

[dookiebot]

Originally posted by Cop


I'M A SPECIALIST IN DISAGREEING ON PURPOSE!!!

???

I suppose you want to disagree with that statement? hehehe

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by Cop
I'M A SPECIALIST IN DISAGREEING ON PURPOSE!!!
Indeed, you're good at it. Even if it's a fact you're good at finding a way to disagree, you know what I meant. Hey, look at it as a compliment.

[Cop]

I think you got me confuzzled with Wamphyr...

[$hortyDaPimp]

Well, he's just a specialist at being an ass. He's kind of grown on me and now I find his brand of humor funny.

[marianozz]

Originally posted by $hortyDaPimp
Well, he's just a specialist at being an ass. He's kind of grown on me and now I find his brand of humor funny.



LOL...



if you cant beat them... :D

[$hortyDaPimp]

Originally posted by marianozz
if you cant beat them... :D
Hey shut up! (I'm working on it)