In the tradition of OWNED!!! pics...

[scottg26]

http://boards.slackercentral.com/user/scottg26/owned26.jpg

[FluxCapacitor]

one thing i didnt understand is how a highly trained imperial gunner can't shoot for crap.

and why they havent invented decent targeting computers; and if they ahve, then why not use them?

[scottg26]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor
one thing i didnt understand is how a highly trained imperial gunner can't shoot for crap.

and why they havent invented decent targeting computers; and if they ahve, then why not use them?

err the rebel's ships gravity well caused the bullets to miss and ...errr...


if u look at star trek, the only time they miss with phasers was when they couldn't get a lock in that nebula in star trek II :D

hence, why the enterprise could destroy a star destroyer. The stardestrpyers can't shoot for shit :D :evil:

[FluxCapacitor]

Originally posted by scottg26


err the rebel's ships gravity well caused the bullets to miss and ...errr...


if u look at star trek, the only time they miss with phasers was when they couldn't get a lock in that nebula in star trek II :D

hence, why the enterprise could destroy a star destroyer. The stardestrpyers can't shoot for shit :D :evil:

but they will launch all their tie fighters and have them blindly smash into the enterprise

[scottg26]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor


but they will launch all their tie fighters and have them blindly smash into the enterprise

a star destroyer WITHOUT tie fighters. they were all destroyed by the borg...see...

[FluxCapacitor]

Originally posted by scottg26


a star destroyer WITHOUT tie fighters. they were all destroyed by the borg...see...

ahh yes, now the borg are another story. the borg would easily destroy the empire. :bigthumb:

[scottg26]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor


ahh yes, now the borg are another story. the borg would easily destroy the empire. :bigthumb:

of course :D

[Apoch003]

dorks

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Apoch003
dorks

jealous?

[FluxCapacitor]

Originally posted by Apoch003
dorks

sporks

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor


ahh yes, now the borg are another story. the borg would easily destroy the empire. :bigthumb:

Nope...projectiles (missles and torpedos). The SSD was WAY bigger than the borg cube. Plus, the SW Universe has Ion cannons...drain shield energy. Then, once the borg are dead in space, they would take a few weeks and blow it to hell

[FluxCapacitor]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger

Nope...projectiles (missles and torpedos).


The borg would regenerate too quickly for them to do any real damage.

The SSD was WAY bigger than the borg cube.

And stationary, unmenouverable, and capable of being destroyed by a single fighter shooting a torpedo down an exhaust pipe.

Plus, the SW Universe has Ion cannons...drain shield energy.

The borg would adapt to resist them.




:P

[scottg26]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor


The borg would regenerate too quickly for them to do any real damage.



And stationary, unmenouverable, and capable of being destroyed by a single fighter shooting a torpedo down an exhaust pipe.



The borg would adapt to resist them.




:P

you know, i agree on all 3 points!!! :D

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor


The borg would regenerate too quickly for them to do any real damage.



And stationary, unmenouverable, and capable of being destroyed by a single fighter shooting a torpedo down an exhaust pipe.



The borg would adapt to resist them.




:P

No, you don't get the Ion cannon point. They adapt against things that do damage to THEM. But the Ion cannons do only damage to the shield itself. Then, it disables electronics. Meaning that they can't be used. The Borg would then only have their biological parts to use. And you can't exactly do much good when they useful part of you is based on electronics.

And SSD = super star destroyer, not the Death Star...this one was destroyed by a fighter crashing into the bridge :P

[Cop]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger
And SSD = super star destroyer, not the Death Star...this one was destroyed by a fighter crashing into the bridge :P

After its shield were taken down, mind you... And the only reason its shields were down was because the entire Rebel fleet concentrated its firepower upon it... Ackbar said so, and if he said it, it must be true...


Oh and Flux: they were shooting ACROSS her nose, Not UP it ;)

[Hydra]

Look, from all the webpages, all the star trek/star wars nerds on the net, the countless hours people have spent arguing over this shit, and the mathematical calculations said people have done.

Star Trek would beat Star Wars in a fight, most probably.

Now, since it's fictional, STFU.


Except that Star Wars is in the past and Star Trek is in the future, which means Star Wars would probably have waaaaaaay better tech by then.



Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger


Nope...projectiles (missles and torpedos). The SSD was WAY bigger than the borg cube. Plus, the SW Universe has Ion cannons...drain shield energy. Then, once the borg are dead in space, they would take a few weeks and blow it to hell

That Ion cannon was planetbound, unless you plan on dragging a planet around with a SSD and a tow cable, it's useless. Assuming the Ion cannon could do any damage anyway, ion cannons seem to be pretty low tech in regards to space weapons.

[Cop]

Originally posted by Wamphyr
That Ion cannon was planetbound, unless you plan on dragging a planet around with a SSD and a tow cable, it's useless. Assuming the Ion cannon could do any damage anyway, ion cannons seem to be pretty low tech in regards to space weapons.


:slap:

Don't you know even Y-wings have Ion cannons? Haven't you ever played any of the games? They have ship based Ion Cannons as well...

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by Cop


:slap:

Don't you know even Y-wings have Ion cannons? Haven't you ever played any of the games? They have ship based Ion Cannons as well...

So did the B-Wings, as well as later TIEs that the Empire developed, like the TIE Defender. The Assault Gunboat and capital ships were outfitted with them as well.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by Cop


:slap:

Don't you know even Y-wings have Ion cannons? Haven't you ever played any of the games? They have ship based Ion Cannons as well...

The shipbound ion cannons can't knock out a fully shielded Star Destroyer in one hit :slap:.

[Crusty B]

all the jedis would own the borg


nuff said

[FluxCapacitor]

Originally posted by Crusty Buttcrack
all the jedis would own the borg


nuff said

Jedi make baby Four of Six cry. :mecry:

[Wedge]

bah, Wars 0wnz Trek end story. Hell, I got $50 that says a single squadron of X-Wings could trounce the Enterprise.

[Cop]

Originally posted by Wamphyr


The shipbound ion cannons can't knock out a fully shielded Star Destroyer in one hit :slap:.

So? Keep firing then... Why should they shoot only once?

Even the Hoth cannon fired 3 (I think) consecutive rounds...

[scottg26]

1. borg would adapt to lightsabre
2. Klingons have ion cannons

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Cop


So? Keep firing then... Why should they shoot only once?

Even the Hoth cannon fired 3 (I think) consecutive rounds...

i thought an ion canon was like a beam? u know, like in homeworld?

[Hydra]

Originally posted by Cop


So? Keep firing then... Why should they shoot only once?

Even the Hoth cannon fired 3 (I think) consecutive rounds...

The shipbound ion cannons are piss poor compared to the planetbound ion cannons.

Since we're using the computer games as reference material, how long does it take to disable a VSD? A hell of a long time.


Originally posted by Crusty Buttcrack
all the jedis would own the borg


nuff said

The jedi got an ass kicking from droids already.

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by Wamphyr


The shipbound ion cannons are piss poor compared to the planetbound ion cannons.

Since we're using the computer games as reference material, how long does it take to disable a VSD? A hell of a long time.




The jedi got an ass kicking from droids already.

Yeah, it took a while, for one ship! It took forever. But a capital ship against capital ship and man, it can work wonders. I mean, the Empire's SDs ALONE would wreak havoc. And the ship-to-ship fighters would be impossible to hit for the capital ships...way too small and fast. Plus there'd be too many of them.

And scott, the ion cannon is just that, a cannon. It fires rounds. Watch Empire.

[scottg26]

whats an sd?


In homeworld ion canon frigates fire a beam

and i remeber from esb now, lol :D

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by scottg26
whats an sd?


In homeworld ion canon frigates fire a beam

and i remeber from esb now, lol :D

SD = Star Destroyer...the triangle capital ships the Empire had
SSD = Super Star Destroyer..the BIG triangle that crashed into the second Death Star in Jedi
VSD = Victory Star Destroyers...smaller SDs

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger


SD = Star Destroyer...the triangle capital ships the Empire had
SSD = Super Star Destroyer..the BIG triangle that crashed into the second Death Star in Jedi
VSD = Victory Star Destroyers...smaller SDs

I love star destroyers

So what are those green thingys in my owned pic?

turbolasers?

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by scottg26


I love star destroyers

So what are those green thingys in my owned pic?

turbolasers?

Yes, actually. Turbolaser cannons are standard equipment for Star Destroyers. Rebel capital ships have a different name for them I think...SDs also have Ion cannons as well.

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger


Yes, actually. Turbolaser cannons are standard equipment for Star Destroyers. Rebel capital ships have a different name for them I think...SDs also have Ion cannons as well.


cos rebel ships have orange one

and whats that big beam form the deathsatr?

[Cop]

Scott ----> www.stardestroyer.net

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by scottg26



cos rebel ships have orange one

and whats that big beam form the deathsatr?

The Death Star superlaser, I believe, or something to that effect.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor
The borg would regenerate too quickly for them to do any real damage.

Even when multi-gigaton charges are dropped on them?

And stationary, unmenouverable, and capable of being destroyed by a single fighter shooting a torpedo down an exhaust pipe.

As has been said, that's the Death Star you're talking about. A Super Star Destroyer is a vessel.

The borg would adapt to resist them.

Borg appear to adapt to electromagnetic frequencies, but Star Wars weapons most likely use some kind of projectiles (hence, laser "bolts").

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger
Yes, actually. Turbolaser cannons are standard equipment for Star Destroyers. Rebel capital ships have a different name for them I think...SDs also have Ion cannons as well.

No, they're all turbolasers (or laser cannons, which are lighter in firepower but whose fire travels faster; these are primarily meant for small vessels and starfighters).

[melchy]

LOL, i remeber being involved in the argument on a bullitin board many years ago. The consensus at the end was that Trek technology was far in advance of Star Wars Tech hence the Enterprise etc would win in a fight against a Star Destoyer. Phasers / Lasers, Warp / Hyperspace, Teleporters / ????? Replicators / ????? Proton Torps / Photon Torps etc etc...

But its all really pointless as there is absolutely no point of reference, ie would a Turbo laser penetrate the Enterprise shields (there were a number of episodes that stated that the lasers on certain ships wouldnt even damage the enterprises navigation shields). How powerful is laser tech in comparison to phaser tech etc. The Enterprise D and E are also pretty big ships, check out the scales on various web sites. They arent really all that much smaller than a Star Destroyer. As I remember a SD is around 1500m long and Enterprise D is around 900m, but wider than the SD if im remembering correctly. Its all a bit silly really :)

Anyway, i say the organic tech of the Vorlons and Shadows in B-5 would own all of them, LOL :D :) :D

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
After its shield were taken down, mind you... And the only reason its shields were down was because the entire Rebel fleet concentrated its firepower upon it... Ackbar said so, and if he said it, it must be true...

There's also one other factor to consider, which is highlighted in Heir to the Empire. The Executor (in the SE version, at least - it's been a while longer since I've seen the original RotJ) only gets it after Palpatine dies and even though the Rebels are horribly outnumbered they manage to win still. In HE, Grand Admiral Thrawn speculated that this happened because the entire fleet (present) was being (subtly) manipulated and controlled by the Emperor; the result of the severing of this mental link allegedly caused enormous confusion and disorientation, allowing the Rebels to rout the Imperial forces.

Of course, that's only according to "official" Star Wars sources and therefore can't be taken as undeniable fact, but it's a not entirely implausible explanation.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by melchy
But its all really pointless as there is absolutely no point of reference

That's not true - the series and films provide plenty of points of reference, since the destructive power of the various types of weaponry, manoeuvrability, acceleration, shield strength etc etc are demonstrated quite often enough. Of course there are plenty of contradictions and physical impossibilities, but that doesn't mean there's no grounds on which to base any comparisons. Just go to www.stardestroyer.net sometime and read a few articles...

[Jimby]

Thius thread just gets better and better, who will be the Uber Dork! :D

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Jimby
Thius thread just gets better and better, who will be the Uber Dork! :D

I'm not sure about that but I'll be the Uber Star Wars freak at any rate.

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Blidd






Borg appear to adapt to electromagnetic frequencies, but Star Wars weapons most likely use some kind of projectiles (hence, laser "bolts").

if its a lazer its made of light thus energy thus the borg will adapt!!!

Originally posted by melchy
LOL, i remeber being involved in the argument on a bullitin board many years ago. The consensus at the end was that Trek technology was far in advance of Star Wars Tech hence the Enterprise etc would win in a fight against a Star Destoyer. Phasers / Lasers, Warp / Hyperspace, Teleporters / ????? Replicators / ????? Proton Torps / Photon Torps etc etc...

But its all really pointless as there is absolutely no point of reference, ie would a Turbo laser penetrate the Enterprise shields (there were a number of episodes that stated that the lasers on certain ships wouldnt even damage the enterprises navigation shields). How powerful is laser tech in comparison to phaser tech etc. The Enterprise D and E are also pretty big ships, check out the scales on various web sites. They arent really all that much smaller than a Star Destroyer. As I remember a SD is around 1500m long and Enterprise D is around 900m, but wider than the SD if im remembering correctly. Its all a bit silly really :)



give this man 10 medals!!!! and 100 points!!!! :D

And i remeber the episode when they said that their weapons wouldn't even penetrate their navigational shields, lol, that ship must of suxxxxed :D

[Crusty B]

Originally posted by Wamphyr

The jedi got an ass kicking from droids already.


the jedi were outnumbered and most of the jedis were padawans so :P

only like 2% of the jedi in that fight were actual masters
IE. mace windu, obi wan, the big forehead guy, and that lizard guy that cut down C3PO's droid body.


thats why.

[Hydra]

Originally posted by melchy
But its all really pointless as there is absolutely no point of reference

Blidd's right since the power to destroy a planet is shown in both of the series'sss'.....s'........s


Originally posted by Crusty Buttcrack



the jedi were outnumbered and most of the jedis were padawans so :P

only like 2% of the jedi in that fight were actual masters
IE. mace windu, obi wan, the big forehead guy, and that lizard guy that cut down C3PO's droid body.


thats why.

Excuses excuses.

[Cop]

Originally posted by Jimby
who will be the Uber Dork! :D

Blidd no doubt, but I'm envious of his SW related knowledge...

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Hey hey hey....don't forget, I was the first one to come up with a plausible argument FOR SW!! I may not be as ub3r SW as Blidd, but I'm dayum close!!!!

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by scottg26
if its a lazer its made of light thus energy thus the borg will adapt!!!

But they aren't actually lasers, otherwise whenever someone would fire a blaster or turbolaser emplacement or whatever you'd get beams that score almost instantaneous hits, not the kind of "bullets" you see in the films.

give this man 10 medals!!!! and 100 points!!!! :D

I wonder how many real physicists and university-grade technicians there were on those forums.

And i remeber the episode when they said that their weapons wouldn't even penetrate their navigational shields, lol, that ship must of suxxxxed :D

You do realise this doesn't mean much if there has been no demonstration at all of the actual firepower? For all we know those weapons are only marginally more powerful than the kind of lasers we can produce today (though considerably more smaller, probably).

At any rate, we saw an ISD (the Avenger, to be precise) effortlessly vape asteroids with diameters of up to a few dozen meters with single shots from its turbolaser batteries. It takes a LOT of energy to literally vaporise objects of that size and dense material in no more than a second - far more than any nuclear weapon we possess can produce. And that's just from 1 blast; imagine several dozen of those impacting in the span of, say, 60 seconds (and that's probably a rather conservative estimate).

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by FluxCapacitor
And stationary, unmenouverable, and capable of being destroyed by a single fighter shooting a torpedo down an exhaust pipe.

You know, I just thought of something else regarding that. The weakness of the first Death Star was, indeed, its external exhaust pipe. The main reason why the fighters could penetrate the station's defences was that it was built with capital ship combat in mind and starfighters weren't considered a threat (which they weren't, really). The surface was littered with turbolasers offering excellent defence against large vessels (you'll have noticed the Rebel fleet didn't move in on the second Death Star after its shields dropped either, for obvious reasons), but they were relatively ineffective versus such small, fast and highly manoeuvrable targets.

Besides this the Rebels had one other advantage, namely the phenomenal manoeuvrability of their proton torpedoes; I'm sure you'll remember the almost-instantaneous 90-degree turn Luke's made at high velocity.

To my knowledge Star Fleet does not have any explosive projectiles capable of such a feat. Photon torpedoes do not appear to have any guidance systems at all and obviously phasers can only be fired in a straight trajectory. Furthermore its shuttles/runabouts provide considerably larger targets than starfighters and they cannot turn very fast either.

Moving in with a starship to hover over the exhaust pipe and fire straight down would be the obvious alternative, except that it would soon find itself to be targeted by hundreds of turbolaser emplacements.

And of course, the same mistake wasn't made with the second Death Star. It remains to be seen whether runabouts would be able to reach the core before they were shot to bits by pursuing TIEs, obviously having to travel slower than the more agile X-Wings and Falcon in order to prevent smashing into the station itself.

And finally the original Death Star was not at all immobile, arriving at Yavin not too long after the Falcon and journeying from one side of the immense gas giant to the other in about 15 minutes' time.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
Blidd no doubt, but I'm envious of his SW related knowledge...

Heh, I'd like to believe I know more than I actually do. :D

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by Blidd

/tons of information that isn't just geeky but technical too!!!



Master, I am ready. Can you teach me?

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger
Master, I am ready. Can you teach me?

I haven't even completed my own training yet!

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by Blidd


I haven't even completed my own training yet!

Well, who are YOU learning from? Maybe they can teach me:P

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Punk Rock Avenger
Well, who are YOU learning from? Maybe they can teach me:P

http://www.stardestroyer.net/toc.html

[Wedge]

I would bust out the star wars 0wnage but I think Blidd is doing fine enough job.. for a padawan learner :P

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Wedge
I would bust out the star wars 0wnage but I think Blidd is doing fine enough job.. for a padawan learner :P

:dunno:

I'd probably be able to come up with more concrete info if I had the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels.

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Originally posted by Blidd


:dunno:

I'd probably be able to come up with more concrete info if I had the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels.

Dude, that site pwns enough. The stuff they have there is AMAZING.

[Punk Rock Avenger]

Reading about the situations that the Trekkies would have to accomplish...the mission section. What they do is give a Trekkie Fantasy, a DS9 writers fantasy and the more probable scenario. In one of the battles, the Federation has to capture an ISD. Here's the beginning of the DS9 writers thing:

The star destroyer is crippled, with no shields, weapons, or maneuvering capabilities. The USS Ming is replaced by the USS Defiant in the scenario because the Defiant must be involved in every major DS9 incident.

:lol: It's so true...the Defiant is EVERYWHERE

[Cop]

I didn't even realize the second Death Star was that much larger than the first one till I saw it on the site I recently posted (with the Starship comparisons)... I don't think that came off too well in the movies...

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Cop
I didn't even realize the second Death Star was that much larger than the first one till I saw it on the site I recently posted (with the Starship comparisons)... I don't think that came off too well in the movies...

I think that was an incorrect figure; the Star Wars Encyclopedia the second Death Star's diameter was about 160km and so does the online databank:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/deathstarii/index.html

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Cop
I didn't even realize the second Death Star was that much larger than the first one till I saw it on the site I recently posted (with the Starship comparisons)... I don't think that came off too well in the movies...

i know what u mean, i thought that too

posted by blidd
"Photon torpedoes do not appear to have any guidance systems at all" i think they track for 3 seconds or something



thurbolasers.....lol. maybe the asteroids were special, in that they, uhm, were made of sand or something


/runs




originally posted by wamphyr
"Blidd's right since the power to destroy a planet is shown in both of the series'sss'.....s'........s"

where? (apart from death star)

[scottg26]

i know how star trrek could defeat the death star.

1) fire the genesis torpedo into the death star
2) fire a probe with trilithium on it into a nearby star and watch the shockwave wipe out the deathstar and surrounding fleet :D

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by scottg26
i know what u mean, i thought that too

Like I said, that's most likely an erroneous number. I suspect he got it from a fansite or something.

"Photon torpedoes do not appear to have any guidance systems at all" i think they track for 3 seconds or something

You may be right there, but they still couldn't possibly make the same kind of turns proton torpedoes can.

thurbolasers.....lol. maybe the asteroids were special, in that they, uhm, were made of sand or something

It's not exactly easy to make a few tons of sand vapourise in less than a second either, you know.

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Blidd


1 Like I said, that's most likely an erroneous number. I suspect he got it from a fansite or something.



2 You may be right there, but they still couldn't possibly make the same kind of turns proton torpedoes can.



3 It's not exactly easy to make a few tons of sand vapourise in less than a second either, you know.

1. ok

2. i agree :D

3. i don't know how they did it. maybe they were on overload or someting. maybe it was the ion cannon? and did u see the spcial fx at that stardestryer site? how the asteroids explode before the green bolt hits it?

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by scottg26
i know how star trrek could defeat the death star.

1) fire the genesis torpedo into the death star
2) fire a probe with trilithium on it into a nearby star and watch the shockwave wipe out the deathstar and surrounding fleet :D

1) that depends on whether to what extent the Genesis device affects a planetoid beneath its surface. If it just creates plants and whatnot on the surface, the Death Star would still be able to fire its weaponry and move about and its crew would be unaffected. This does not apply when the station is protected by a planetary shield, of course.
2) that's a distinct possibility, but it's debatable whether Starfleet would allow this if there were any inhabited planets nearby. Also, this scenario relies solely on the premise that there IS a star nearby, the fleet is located so far inside a strong gravity field that an emergency hyperspace jump cannot be made and that the probe cannot be prematurely destroyed or intercepted with tractor beams.

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Blidd


1) that depends on whether to what extent the Genesis device affects a planetoid beneath its surface. If it just creates plants and whatnot on the surface, the Death Star would still be able to fire its weaponry and move about and its crew would be unaffected. This does not apply when the station is protected by a planetary shield, of course.
2) that's a distinct possibility, but it's debatable whether Starfleet would allow this if there were any inhabited planets nearby. Also, this scenario relies solely on the premise that there IS a star nearby, the fleet is located so far inside a strong gravity field that an emergency hyperspace jump cannot be made and that the probe cannot be prematurely destroyed or intercepted with tractor beams.

1) it changed the entire planet, and the shield is down :P
2) starfleet would allow it, they would draw the deathstar near a star with the enterprise, fire the probe, and warp out of there. at the same time the USS Titan under the command of captain riker would fire a tachyon pulse into the deathstar, disrupting their hyperspace field, and casuing the deathstar to be reduced to sub light speeds, resulting in its destruction.



Or they could just get the USS Pegasus and (or was it USS Phoenix...hmmmmmm) to turn on their cloak, fly into the death star and detonate a torpedo in the reactor.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by scottg26
3. i don't know how they did it. maybe they were on overload or someting. maybe it was the ion cannon? and did u see the spcial fx at that stardestryer site? how the asteroids explode before the green bolt hits it?

ISDs are not nice things to maintain, so it is doubtful if any captain would be willing to risk serious damage to its offensive capabilities just to blast a few asteroids when there's literally thousands around.

It couldn't have been the ion cannons either, since they do not fire green bolts (at least, not to my knowledge) and more importantly: they don't cause structural damage. They just fry electric circuitry, like an electromagnetic pulse.

As for the manner in which the asteroids met their demise, look here:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Blidd


ISDs are not nice things to maintain, so it is doubtful if any captain would be willing to risk serious damage to its offensive capabilities just to blast a few asteroids when there's literally thousands around.

It couldn't have been the ion cannons either, since they do not fire green bolts (at least, not to my knowledge) and more importantly: they don't cause structural damage. They just fry electric circuitry, like an electromagnetic pulse.

As for the manner in which the asteroids met their demise, look here:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

too much reading...arrrggggg /dies

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by scottg26
1) it changed the entire planet, and the shield is down :P

How do you know that it changed the entire planet, i.e. the surface AND entire crust? Have you seen any evidence of this?

Also, there one prototype was used and the design data was erased so there's no way of quickly reproducing it.

2) starfleet would allow it, they would draw the deathstar near a star with the enterprise, fire the probe, and warp out of there. at the same time the USS Titan under the command of captain riker would fire a tachyon pulse into the deathstar, disrupting their hyperspace field, and casuing the deathstar to be reduced to sub light speeds, resulting in its destruction.

Do you honestly expect the Death Star AND fleet to hunt down one single starship? It's likely that a single ISD could defeat the Enterprise without too much trouble and at that point in time there were far, far more of those than there ever were of Galaxy or Nebula class vessels.

Besides this, how exactly would a tachyon pulse cause the destruction of the Death Star? I have never heard of a hyperspace field in Star Trek, are you sure you're not confused with warp?

Or they could just get the USS Pegasus and (or was it USS Phoenix...hmmmmmm) to turn on their cloak, fly into the death star and detonate a torpedo in the reactor.

If you're thinking of that thing with the phase cloaking device that'd allow a ship to pass through matter, I'm sure I need not remind you that this was a highly unreliable piece of equipment and should therefore not be counted on as an infallible means of destroying the Death Star (especially since it would have to decloak, fire and recloak again).

Incidentally, there are special (though expensive) sensors that can detect gravity changes and thus any cloaked vessel so theoretically it could be detected anyway and appropriate measures could be taken against it:

It is most likely that phase-cloaked vessels will not be able to pass through super-dense matter or shields. Lieutenant-commander Geordi Laforge and Ensign Ro Laren were inadvertently phase-cloaked in The Next Phase and they were still affected by the ship's artificial gravity, with no noticeable change in the strength of that gravity. This means that the gravitic effects of super-dense matter or shields will affect phase-cloaked ships just as they affect normal ships. Furthermore, Ro and Laforge were still able to breathe the air, indicating that chemical reactions can occur between phase-cloaked and non-phase-cloaked entities. Therefore, the Enterprise-D must have been able to pass through the asteroid mass in Pegasus not because its phase cloak rendered it completely non-interactive with the rock, but because the rock was relatively inert, chemically speaking.

Phase-cloaked ships can still be detected by our sensors: if phase-cloaked entities are still affected by gravity, then they must still generate gravity. This means they can be detected with CGT sensors, just like Romulan-cloaked ships. However, energy weapons like turbolasers and ion cannons will probably be useless against a phase-cloaked vessel, since phasers are known to have no interaction with out-of-phase objects as seen in The Next Phase. Although energy weapons may not be useful against a phase-cloaked ship, there may be other avenues of attack: since The Next Phase demonstrated that chemical reactions are still possible between cloaked and non-cloaked objects, a cloud of nerve gas may be lethal to the inhabitants of a phase-cloaked ship. It may in fact be stunningly effective, since the gas would quickly pass through every deck and compartment in the entire vessel thanks to the phase-cloaking effect.

[scottg26]

1. i thought they had a memoery bank full of data on the genesis torpedo?

2. "I have never heard of a hyperspace field in Star Trek, are you sure you're not confused with warp?"

LOL, i made THAT up. sub space field, surely hyperdrive must have some sort of thing?

3. "If you're thinking of that thing with the phase cloaking device that'd allow a ship to pass through matter, I'm sure I need not remind you that this was a highly unreliable piece of equipment and should therefore not be counted on as an infallible means of destroying the Death Star (especially since it would have to decloak, fire and recloak again)."

What i meant was the ship would be on a suicide mission. cloak it, go THROUGH the death star, into the core, and detonate the warp core. oh, yes :evil:

BTW ships CAN fire while cloaked. Check out Star Trek: Nemesis and Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country.

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Originally posted by scottg26
1. i thought they had a memoery bank full of data on the genesis torpedo?

Hmm, I can't seem to find much about what happened to the project AFTER Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock except that it was aborted because the device was unstable. Perhaps they did keep the designs, though.

LOL, i made THAT up. sub space field, surely hyperdrive must have some sort of thing?

Not that I know of, but unless the Titan would be able to render useless the Death Star's hyperdrive within a matter of minutes at most after the probe had been shot into the star (which is rather unlikely) they'd have to somehow disable it while it's in hyperspace.

This presents a serious problem however, since A) travelling through hyperspace is typically much faster than travelling by warp, making it difficult to keep up at any rate and B) hyperspace and normal space are two separate dimensions as it were, which makes it impossible by default for a Starfleet vessel to interfere with a ship that's made the jump into hyperspace.

What i meant was the ship would be on a suicide mission. cloak it, go THROUGH the death star, into the core, and detonate the warp core. oh, yes :evil:

The Death Star does not have a warp core, but anyway. The point was that the phase cloaking device is not reliable enough to safely guarantee its arrival at the power core - chances are it'll malfunction halfway and basically merge with the Death Star.

BTW ships CAN fire while cloaked. Check out Star Trek: Nemesis and Star Trek 6: The Undiscovered Country.

It may be possible for ordinary Starfleet/Klingon/Romulan vessels to fire while cloaked, but not with shields raised as far as I know. This tactic probably won't be nearly as effective against large Imperial or Rebel/New Republic capital ships anyway, since they won't have time to fire more than a few times (which shouldn't cause serious damage to the deflecter shields) before fire is returned. Even if the ship cannot be seen, the number of rapidly firing turbolasers can systematically cover a large area in a brief time period. It may not be especially efficient, but such pot shots should work well against larger vessels.

Smaller ships like the Defiant would pose a greater problem of course, but presumably the costs are too high to produce any significant number of such vessels and simple runabouts with cloaking devices should equal very low tactical threats.

But that wasn't even my point; my point was that as long as the Pegasus or whichever other ship is equipped with a phase cloaking device IS cloaked, it cannot actually interact with its environment. It will have to decloak before its fire can cause any damage.

[scottg26]

Originally posted by Blidd












The Death Star does not have a warp core, but anyway. The point was that the phase cloaking device is not reliable enough to safely guarantee its arrival at the power core - chances are it'll malfunction halfway and basically merge with the Death Star.



i mean the star trek ship would detonate its warp core INSIDE the death star. beside the death star's reactor.

Originally posted by Blidd









It may be possible for ordinary Starfleet/Klingon/Romulan vessels to fire while cloaked, but not with shields raised as far as I know.



watch star trek nemesis

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Dorks. The whole lot of you.

But Star Wars would win.

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Originally posted by MonotremeMed
Dorks. The whole lot of you.

But Star Wars would win.

You're one of us and you know it!

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Originally posted by scottg26
i mean the star trek ship would detonate its warp core INSIDE the death star. beside the death star's reactor.

Whatever, it's only a technicality anyway.

watch star trek nemesis

No thanks...

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Originally posted by MonotremeMed
Dorks. The whole lot of you.

:bigthumb:

But Star Wars would win.

:bigthumb::bigthumb:

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Originally posted by Blidd
No thanks...

:bigthumb:

[scottg26]

another day, another rejection :mecry: