Ok Guys, a MoBo upgrade here.....

[SimK68]

I need some opinions.... I wanna get something (including the DDR ram) that is as far as me spending up $160 at least??

[Blighter]

You might want to take a look at this nForce board:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDY4

It's cheap, fast and good OC'er. Read the review :)

[SimK68]

We went ahead and got this.....

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/MSI_K7N2_1.html

They discontinued the epox I was going to get.

[Blighter]

Bah. The Soltek one would have been better :(

[SimK68]

Well,so far so good, no errors or lock-ups of anykind so far! Better than what I can say for the old ABIT here when we 1st installed it, which DID have a few blown capacitors that we didnt know about untill I inspected it closer. :eek:

[Tachyon]

Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2, $89 @ NewEgg

[SimK68]

Originally posted by Tachyon
Epox 8RDA+ nForce 2, $89 @ NewEgg \

Well I would of gotten that,but they RAN OUT,or as the sales lady said "They discontinued it." Otherwise it would be in here instead now would it!? ;)

[Tachyon]

Out of stock, LOL, didn't read into it enough...

You coulda bought the 8RDA+ on my shelf :D

[Plaster]

We went to Fry's and they were sold out of the 8RDA+. They had the Red discontued tag up. The only thing he misses out on with the MSI board is Firewire.

[ArchAngelCD]

Your budget is a little low at $160 for a board and memory so I can't recommend an Asus board.
MSI makes some good boards like this one @ $75.50
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=241020
and it supports PC3200 RAM like this @$88
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80098

That's at your budget since googlegear has free 2nd day shipping.

IMO, you should wait until you can afford a board that supports Duel Channel DDR RAM since it is very fast.
http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80092-14

[SimK68]

Originally posted by Tachyon
Out of stock, LOL, didn't read into it enough...

You coulda bought the 8RDA+ on my shelf :D


Originally posted by Plaster
We went to Fry's and they were sold out of the 8RDA+. They had the Red discontued tag up. The only thing he misses out on with the MSI board is Firewire.

Well, I prefered to have it, but this one was the only one of choice inspite of now haveing a capability up to a 3.0ghz AMD cpu upgrade,as well as DDR ram. I would have though more peice of mind with the 8RDA+, maybe not only for reliabilty,but I also pointed out to Plaster,that number readout thats on the board itself? The one that tells you whats wrong.

And yes, I could of used the FIREWIRE. I forgot why it wont work?

[Tachyon]

Originally posted by SimK68





Well, I prefered to have it, but this one was the only one of choice inspite of now haveing a capability up to a 3.0ghz AMD cpu upgrade,as well as DDR ram. I would have though more peice of mind with the 8RDA+, maybe not only for reliabilty,but I also pointed out to Plaster,that number readout thats on the board itself? The one that tells you whats wrong.

And yes, I could of used the FIREWIRE. I forgot why it wont work?

Yup, the debug LEDs are nice. (C1 = memory problem, etc.)

[Plaster]

Originally posted by SimK68

Well, I prefered to have it, but this one was the only one of choice inspite of now haveing a capability up to a 3.0ghz AMD cpu upgrade,as well as DDR ram. I would have though more peice of mind with the 8RDA+, maybe not only for reliabilty,but I also pointed out to Plaster,that number readout thats on the board itself? The one that tells you whats wrong.

And yes, I could of used the FIREWIRE. I forgot why it wont work?

The Epox board would have had a slight performance edge, not a reliability edge. When I say slight, I mean slight. Try maybe 0.5 - 1% faster. You're also not going to be getting a 3Ghz CPU in that board. It supports up to an XP 3200+ which operatres at 2.2GHz. You wouldn't have had more piece of mind with the cheaper board either. The LED diagnostic on the Epox board isn't exactly rare. There's one on the board that you bought. Open the manual and it shows a diagram of what the 4 LEDs mean in certain combinations of red and green. Since they're on the USB 2.0 expansion plate on the back of the PC you won't need to remove the cover to see the readout. All the LEDs are green at the moment, so you'll probably be disappointed. The layout on the MSI board isn't the best, but it did cut down on the board's overall size. I dont' know if you noticed, but the Epox board probably wouldn't have fit in your cramped case. If you had gone with the 8RDA+ you would have need to either buy a new case, or run without a CD Drive.

Now, about the FireWire. How could you have used it? You don't own a single firewire peripheral. That would be why it won't work. Unless you're in the market for a digital camcorder (http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11203994&m=1&cat=33&scat=36) or an External Hard Drive (http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11217903&m=488&cat=511&scat=512) I dont' see what the problem is. Most offer USB 2.0 support anyway and if that's not enough you can buy a Firewire card for as little as $20.

[SimK68]

Originally posted by Plaster


I dont' know if you noticed, but the Epox board probably wouldn't have fit in your cramped case. If you had gone with the 8RDA+ you would have need to either buy a new case, or run without a CD Drive.


Yea, we discussed that. And that other board, the NIA or the one next to it was about the same, and they didnt have that either. Well I thought that 4 LED port in the back just menat that all the ports were working.

Well, lets all find out if Crius can get the old ABIT working 100% shall we!?...... Heres wah he said earlyer on... Plaster, eat your heart out....







SimK568: I might be by later to-day...to give you the MOBO
Annufn: you know that they got 800mhz fsb pentium 4 processors out?
Annufn: that's fast!
SimK568: kewl
SimK568: But that wont work in that ABIT mobo
Annufn: that's a 3 ghz processor
Annufn: that's if it's even fixable
SimK568: yer shite would FLY
SimK568: i got DDR ram now :)
Annufn: what 333?
SimK568: yep
Annufn: slow
Annufn: what processor you got
SimK568: no it isnt,its faster than the standard PC
SimK568: Still the Xp 1600+
Annufn: is that athlon xp 1600+ have a 333 fsb?
Annufn: they make 'em with different fsb speeds
Annufn: so you got the palomino
Annufn: that processor you got has a 266 mhz fsb
SimK568: yea
Annufn: you need to get a new one with a 333 fsb
Annufn: to match yo ddr ram
SimK568: in time
SimK568: Its made for XP though
Annufn: it dosen't matter
Annufn: i got win 98 running on that new computer i built for shannon... it a athlon xp 2800+ w/400 fsb and 400 mhz 512mb ddr ram
Annufn: you know how nutty ronnie can be right?
SimK568: Hes not nutty
Annufn: you know how he used to be right
Annufn: well magnify that about 20 times more plus add mean to that ..and you get shannon.. i swear he just makes me want to scream and pull out my hair sometimes
SimK568: lol,,,why? What hed do?
Annufn: i've done fixed his friggin' brand f**king new computer about 20 times now.. (that involves formatting it and reinstalling EVERYTHING..)
SimK568: GAWD!
Annufn: and about 2 weeks later he done does something or another.. and fu**s it up again
Annufn: he's apparently not good with computers at all..
SimK568: lol... Ive done this myself,,,the whole year and 1/2 ive had this MOBO and CPU updated and or repaired was 2 times
Annufn: a mean .. one time he just touched mine... i mean just TOUCHED it.. and he gave me a blue screen...
SimK568: Well,like me..and im VERY bad at it... READ what its all about before you f**k with it
Annufn: u just don't understand.. there's always something wrong with it... he checks or sets some checkbox and just totally fucks it up
Annufn: every fu**ing time
SimK568: He should NOT F**K WITH SOMETHING HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND! LIke YOU do! :D
Annufn: i tell you i ain't gonna fix it again... he can bring it to a damn repair shop..
SimK568: thats his problem
Annufn: he thinks he does.. when actually he don't
Annufn: and you can't tell him anything...
SimK568: Why do you think mine runs GOOD!? ;P
Annufn: he'll go fu**ing ballistic...
SimK568: I ask someone on the message boards if I dont know what it is or does
SimK568: So is he saying "WHAAAA Crius,my windows is crashing,can you help me fix it?"
SimK568: :'C
Annufn: you need to understand shannon.. a little more though.. get this... the other day jimmy randle came buy... just to copy a cd i had... shannon come by... saw jimmy was here.. and i got this: (well i see you already got plans .. i'll just let you two do your thing and i'll just go sit at home)
Annufn: he's the: "Royal Layer of the olde GUILT TRIP" LOLOL
Annufn: oh well.. i guess he just can't help it..
Annufn: even jimmy randle said "Guilt Trips are his speciality" lol
Annufn: anyway.. enough of that
SimK568: yea
Annufn: that's what i'm talking about.... if i don't fix it ... well he'll lay one of his guilt trips on me
Annufn: lol
Annufn: i believe i've gotten that codec finally
Annufn: my package tracking info for my cpu ..lol
Annufn: it's now in mesquite texas... wherever the hell that's at
SimK568: By Dallas
Annufn: AH.. SO
Annufn: well it says it will be here mon.. lol.. maybe i'll even receive it today..
SimK568: yea
Annufn: but probably not... cause it is moving by ground
SimK568: yea
Annufn: i should have used express.. that was 15 bucks shipping though... it was 8 bucks for ground
SimK568: I hope they dont screw you
Annufn: who?
Annufn: i ordered it from a main manufacturer
Annufn: http://www.powerleap.com/
SimK568: where the hell do you hook hat up??
SimK568: how
Annufn: lol that's a slot 1 processor
Annufn: that's not the one i got
SimK568: now?
SimK568: oh
SimK568: youre getting?
Annufn: http://www.powerleap.com/Products/k6iii.htm
SimK568: If you dont set that up right,youre going to get slowdowns,and lockups...and it wont perform to its ful capcity...
Annufn: i know that
Annufn: i got this one set up just fine didn't i
SimK568: Well,lets see how youll do w/ a new bo-bo
Annufn: bo-bo ??? what the hell is that
SimK568: mobo
Annufn: http://www.powerleap.com/support/PL-K6-IIIv22.pdf
Annufn: http://www.powerleap.com/support/PL-K6-IIIv23.pdf
Annufn: look at these
SimK568: hold up a damn minute
Annufn: they are two different configurations of the doohickey i ordered.. i hope i get the one with the black heatsink
Annufn: the one with the black heatsink ...has a bigger heatsink
SimK568: Why dont you tell them that here.... http://boards.slackercentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9
Annufn: ?
SimK568: ok
SimK568: you are still registered
SimK568: ??
Annufn: http://www.powerleap.com/Products/Ren370S.htm
Annufn: lol.. look at this..
Annufn: i could actually get my computer up to 1.4 ghz with 1 gb mem
Annufn: that thing 's probably too much money though
SimK568: looks like a mini mother board
SimK568: looks like for a laptop
Annufn: it replaces your entire computer..lol
Annufn: i'm gonna see how much that thing is.. i'm curious
SimK568: jeese
SimK568: ASK THEM ON SCMB
Annufn: whooooo
Annufn: 400 bucks!?!?!
SimK568: SHIT!
SimK568: You could buy a DECENT system with that
Annufn: damn... for that i can buy a mobo , chip @ a case
Annufn: yup
SimK568: and HDD...Video?....nah
Annufn: the mem for it is 150 bucks
Annufn: i saw another one that was on a pci card
SimK568: dude,some of my pages are loading with this crap...is this a Java Script error or something?
SimK568: ble> HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 13:11:26 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_fastcgi/2.2.10 mod_ssl/2.8.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.3.0-dev mod_perl/1.24_01 X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0-dev Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=7a5a42b7d9032bc69b5c68f03aaefbde; path=/ Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0 Pragma: no-cache Set-Cookie: bbthreadview[40537]=1054386686; path=/ Content-Length: 18492 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=99 Connection: Keep-Alive Content-Type: text/html
Annufn: yup
Annufn: Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
SimK568: It does this everytime I re-install windows....
SimK568: Java acts screwy like this
Annufn: that's probably because.. you got xp right
SimK568: yes
Annufn: you need to update java to the new ver
SimK568: where and how?
Annufn: here's the link
Annufn: came out last month
SimK568: I have some kind of Java progam installed, I cant find it
Annufn: first let's see what ver you got
Annufn: open the run box
Annufn: type cmd
SimK568: k
Annufn: cmd
SimK568: k
Annufn: noe type
Annufn: oops
SimK568: system32.
Annufn: now type
Annufn: jview
Annufn: type jview
SimK568: both cmd jview?
Annufn: you got a command prompt now?
SimK568: yes
Annufn: that's what cmd does..it gives u a command prompt
Annufn: no just type jview
Annufn: it will show the ver
Annufn: so,, what ver is it
SimK568: I hit ok,and its only on there for a split second
Annufn: ok.. let's start again
Annufn: open the RUN box
Annufn: type CMD
SimK568: de sha vue
SimK568: ok
SimK568: I think we did this before?
Annufn: then when that opens a window... type JVIEW in that window
SimK568: oh,ok
Annufn: duh
Annufn: lol
SimK568: ok
Annufn: what ver does it show
SimK568: 5.00.3810
Annufn: hmm.. well that's the new ver
Annufn: u can try re-installing the update for it
SimK568: I had some kind of progam installed
SimK568: yea
SimK568: 'Java WebStart'
SimK568: http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/demos.html
Annufn: OH.. if you got this patch in your add/remove programs list..... REMOVE IT!!!!!
SimK568: Maybe the PC has to CONFIGURE it to recogognize it
SimK568: its done this bfore
Annufn: there is a patch that is for xp... that's bad
SimK568: k,,wait,,be right back....
Annufn: microsoft even pulled the patch from dlds
Annufn: hold on and i'll see if i can find it
Annufn: well.. shit... ma wants to use the phone .. so i guess i got to get off-line now...
Annufn: talk later




Well see what yall can make of what he said. :)

[Plaster]

Java errors are errors with the page. Ignore anything crius ever tells you.