Worthy NFS series game in 2004?

[Ailuros]

Dunno but this one looks a lot better than NFS: HP2

http://www.bonusweb.cz/download/screenshoty/nfsundergroundscr030615.html

Do I see some PS reflections there? ;)

[mellotron]

2 fast 2 furious! *shudder*

[opus512]

My fave was Porche Unleashed, pure fun, only driving game I ever played all the shit for, you know, the actual game, heh, to advance to other tracks and cars.

Pisses me off that EA has absolutly no support for it, they don't even have extra cars for it that they used to have, so they pulled them on purpose.

Anyway, this one does look interesting. When EA gets it right, they rock, but when they don't, they suck :P

[Slippydog]

Looks like a take off of the Game FLOP. "Illegal Street Drags"

[Mole]

That's a lot of Supras!

[Sir_Gallahad]

WOOHOO!!! More eye candy with dick for gameplay!!! WOOHOO!!! :D

[Ailuros]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad
WOOHOO!!! More eye candy with dick for gameplay!!! WOOHOO!!! :D

I've no idea how someone can prejudge gameplay from a couple of screenshots, but then again I didn't really expect any (at least) constructive sarcasm in the end. ;)

[sj_hurst]

Great graphics, but I'm not a big fan of the Supra.

[incandescent]

I can't wait for this game. I have been seriously waiting for a title that has all of these features for several years.

[Plaster]

Originally posted by incandescent
I can't wait for this game. I have been seriously waiting for a title that has all of these features for several years.

Rice inside?

[Ailuros]

Originally posted by Plaster


Rice inside?

Anyone getting married? :D

[Plaster]

Originally posted by Ailuros


Anyone getting married? :D

I have no idea. It's a big world so I'm sure there's got to be at least one couple getting hitched somewhere.

[incandescent]

Originally posted by Plaster


Rice inside?


look, it's one thing to buy a honda civic and slap stickers on it thinking it's fast --- it's another to play a game where you can put twin t88's on a 2JZ-GTE in a supra... too tough too comprehend?

[Plaster]

Originally posted by incandescent



look, it's one thing to buy a honda civic and slap stickers on it thinking it's fast --- it's another to play a game where you can put twin t88's on a 2JZ-GTE in a supra... too tough too comprehend?

So it's the rice. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Slippydog]

What's rice got to do with it? Just take my 94 honda civic with a 16b dual overhead cam and a supercharger. You can call it rice all you want, but when it comes time to put it to the test. Bring out your whimpy ass Mustang V8 and I'll show you where the rice lies. You can see it at nwhonda.net, or at next months Hot Import Nights in Seattle. NO RICE HERE BABY!!!

Oh, and the game still looks like a Fast and Furious FLOP!!

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros


I've no idea how someone can prejudge gameplay from a couple of screenshots, but then again I didn't really expect any (at least) constructive sarcasm in the end. ;)

:D

Think of all the imaginative gameplay modes you can acheive with street racing.....;) Um....we've got this awesome mode we call "get there first" where you go from point A to point B and you try to get there first. There are no turns and therefore we have no need to apply actual physics to the cars...but don't they look kick ass?!! And you know this game will rock because we have made such stunning games as NFS: HP2 where we took all realism, put it in a capsule, put the capsule on a rocket and shot it into space!! But it looked AWESOME!!! :D

[Kermit]

I liked NFS : HP. the first one. The one that came bundled with the Voodoo 3 cards. that was great fun!

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Why don't they make a game with Ferraris or something. I mean, Jesus.

[Plaster]

Originally posted by Blidd
Why don't they make a game with Ferraris or something. I mean, Jesus.

lol, someone finally said it. My thoughts exactly. :bigthumb:

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Plaster
lol, someone finally said it. My thoughts exactly. :bigthumb:

You know, I never had any problems with EA up to this day. Now I hope they all die. Horribly horribly.

[Plaster]

Originally posted by Slippydog
What's rice got to do with it? Just take my 94 honda civic with a 16b dual overhead cam and a supercharger. You can call it rice all you want, but when it comes time to put it to the test. Bring out your whimpy ass Mustang V8 and I'll show you where the rice lies. You can see it at nwhonda.net, or at next months Hot Import Nights in Seattle. NO RICE HERE BABY!!!

Oh, and the game still looks like a Fast and Furious FLOP!!

That's a nice rant, but the cars in that game are ricers. To get that bent out of shape you must be on the development team. If that's the case throw in cars that teenagers can't afford. Some Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porsche, Vipers.

[Flywest]

Slippydog and incandescent, don't worry some people ( usually americans muscle car freaks ) will always call imports ( especially japanese ) rice. This rice thing has gotten really out of hand. I , for one , is really looking forward to this game, call me a ricer if you want, I couldn't care less...I'm a car enthusiast and I like both scenes, muscle cars and imports. I just happen to prefer japanese GTs than american muscle. It does not mean however that my jaw doesn't drop to the floor whenever I see a Z06 or a blown Charger R/T ( like the one my brother and I saw on Sunday ), because it sure does.
I have a Supra Turbo , call it rice all day long I don't care, but a true car enthusiast knows what a Supra is.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Although I think these cars generally look garish enough in the first place, as soon as they get these awful paintjobs and body extension and God knows what else that serves only to make them look as tacky and cheap as the local illegal immigrant prostitute from the Philipines (to keep with the Asian theme of things) I really can't stand the sight of them anymore.

If I want to play a racing game with fancy cars, I'll take European ones with actual class and style over either Asian imports or American muscle cars any day.

[Flywest]

I do agree some really goes out of style and alot of them shows bad tastes but what's wrong about this :
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/368000-368999/368860_21_full.jpg

[opus512]

Originally posted by Blidd
Why don't they make a game with Ferraris or something. I mean, Jesus.

I thought EA was supposed to be working on a NFS: PU follow up with all Ferrari's instead....?

[Sharkfood]

You can call it rice all you want, but when it comes time to put it to the test. Bring out your whimpy ass Mustang V8 and I'll show you where the rice lies.

I put it to the test regularly. And prove there is no beating cubic inches.. and I'm not talking a "Mustang V8".. wimpy 5 litre/302 cubes displacement is junk. How many oval track, grand-am, trans-am or dragster racers do you see with 6-cylinders and turbos? None? That's what I thought. :)

I have yet to find a "ricer" that has been able to stack up to >470lbs torque and ~500hp of big block goodness linked to a 12-bolt rear and 5-speed manual.

Flywest-
I do agree some really goes out of style and alot of them shows bad tastes but what's wrong about this :

I actually had '90 Supra Turbo that looked alot like that (was the pearl mahogany dark brown though + turbo + targa). 7mGTE wasnt a bad 6-cylinder. The TRD 20lb turbo kit was nice too, but sucked replacing the head gasket every 40K miles.. and a bit pricey to boot. Did I also mention those had a 2-piece driveshaft that busted the center carrier bushing most every weekend too? :) Racing a Supra = $$$$$ weekly

[Flywest]

Originally posted by Sharkfood


I put it to the test regularly. And prove there is no beating cubic inches.. and I'm not talking a "Mustang V8".. wimpy 5 litre/302 cubes displacement is junk. How many oval track, grand-am, trans-am or dragster racers do you see with 6-cylinders and turbos? None? That's what I thought. :)

I have yet to find a "ricer" that has been able to stack up to >470lbs torque and ~500hp of big block goodness linked to a 12-bolt rear and 5-speed manual.

Flywest-


I actually had '90 Supra Turbo that looked alot like that (was the pearl mahogany dark brown though + turbo + targa). 7mGTE wasnt a bad 6-cylinder. The TRD 20lb turbo kit was nice too, but sucked replacing the head gasket every 40K miles.. and a bit pricey to boot. Did I also mention those had a 2-piece driveshaft that busted the center carrier bushing most every weekend too? :) Racing a Supra = $$$$$ weekly

Really you had a Supra ? That's cool! Been how long since you parted with it ? The aftermarket support for the MK3 Supra has really skyrocketed ( in terms of diversity and availability ) in the past 2 to 3 years.
Yeah the BHG sucked big time but installing a metal head gasket with ARP head bolts solved the problem a few years ago. I myself blew 3 HGs in 4 years.
And regarding the HPs numbers you put up in your post, I'll be close to that as soon as my car gets out of the tuning shop, I'm expecting a little over 400 rwhp and torque.

BTW, mine is red, hardtop, no TEMS, 5 speeds.

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Flywest
I do agree some really goes out of style and alot of them shows bad tastes but what's wrong about this :
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/368000-368999/368860_21_full.jpg

I'm not sure if any bodywork has been done on that one or not, but I could name a few things that are aesthetic no-nos in my book (such as the rather poncy wheelcaps that just don't fit in with the rest of the car).

[Flywest]

Oh well, to each his own I guess, but those are 3 pieces wheels. Not wheels "caps" hehe. Oh and no body work.

[Sharkfood]

Been how long since you parted with it ? The aftermarket support for the MK3 Supra has really skyrocketed

I bought it new (broker) in '90.. paid about 25K for it with <700 miles on it. It was stolen in '97-ish. I put up the "For Sale" sign in the window and it was stolen the weekend after.. the insurance gave me my asking price so it worked out okay. They found it a month later- just the front fenders, rear quarters and everything else stripped heh.

I was a fun car but just too many problems. Driveline was a weekly thing. It would be clunking like a cow-bell after a good night of racing. The new turbo just exceeded what the 2-piece driveline center bushing could handle. I still have no idea why Toyota in their infinite wisdom didn't use a standard, 1-piece driveline in such a short length car..

I went back to my heritage as the "rice" was just an excursion. I'd always raced big-block Pontiacs prior (had a 12 second 455 mid-70's Trans-am before. and that's with 3:55 gears heh)... and bought a '70 TA, RAIV, ported/polished, stroked, 540/308 cammed, 3" tunnel with a Doug Nash 5-speed (the weakest link for now). I have to rebuild the tranny ever 2 years or so.. at least until I can find a nice, flawless case M-22. :)

[Kermit]

Car Forum (http://boards.slackercentral.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=147)

:evil:

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Flywest
Oh well, to each his own I guess, but those are 3 pieces wheels. Not wheels "caps" hehe.

Sorry, I meant "hubcaps".

[Flywest]

Originally posted by Sharkfood


I bought it new (broker) in '90.. paid about 25K for it with <700 miles on it. It was stolen in '97-ish. I put up the "For Sale" sign in the window and it was stolen the weekend after.. the insurance gave me my asking price so it worked out okay. They found it a month later- just the front fenders, rear quarters and everything else stripped heh.

I was a fun car but just too many problems. Driveline was a weekly thing. It would be clunking like a cow-bell after a good night of racing. The new turbo just exceeded what the 2-piece driveline center bushing could handle. I still have no idea why Toyota in their infinite wisdom didn't use a standard, 1-piece driveline in such a short length car..

I went back to my heritage as the "rice" was just an excursion. I'd always raced big-block Pontiacs prior (had a 12 second 455 mid-70's Trans-am before. and that's with 3:55 gears heh)... and bought a '70 TA, RAIV, ported/polished, stroked, 540/308 cammed, 3" tunnel with a Doug Nash 5-speed (the weakest link for now). I have to rebuild the tranny ever 2 years or so.. at least until I can find a nice, flawless case M-22. :)


Dunno why but I never saw you as a car enthusiast, pretty cool to hear. :)

[Plaster]

Originally posted by opus512


I thought EA was supposed to be working on a NFS: PU follow up with all Ferrari's instead....?

I wasn't a big fan of PU and especially the latest one HS 2. They really live up to thier titles. I don't care what the spedometer says, it seems like your driving Ms. Daisy. Apparently the PS2 version was made by a completely different company named Black Box and didn't feel like you were driving speed boats on pavement. I'm hoping EA never makes another NFS game. Let Black Box handle it. EA hasn't made a good PC racing game since NFS 4.

[Ailuros]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad


:D

Think of all the imaginative gameplay modes you can acheive with street racing.....;) Um....we've got this awesome mode we call "get there first" where you go from point A to point B and you try to get there first. There are no turns and therefore we have no need to apply actual physics to the cars...but don't they look kick ass?!! And you know this game will rock because we have made such stunning games as NFS: HP2 where we took all realism, put it in a capsule, put the capsule on a rocket and shot it into space!! But it looked AWESOME!!! :D

Highly speculative; we should have a special forum for speculations by the way.

As for the rest there is actually Car Talk; not that I mind carry on (just in case you missed it) :D

[Ailuros]

Originally posted by Plaster


I wasn't a big fan of PU and especially the latest one HS 2. They really live up to thier titles. I don't care what the spedometer says, it seems like your driving Ms. Daisy. Apparently the PS2 version was made by a completely different company named Black Box and didn't feel like you were driving speed boats on pavement. I'm hoping EA never makes another NFS game. Let Black Box handle it. EA hasn't made a good PC racing game since NFS 4.

I'd say that PU was the last decent NFS series game; I missed the hot pursuit mode though. By the time they got Hot Pursuit back the followup in HP2 completely sucked IMO.

Good PC racing game from EA? F1 2002 :P

[Flywest]

Originally posted by Ailuros


I'd say that PU was the last decent NFS series game; I missed the hot pursuit mode though. By the time they got Hot Pursuit back the followup in HP2 completely sucked IMO.

Good PC racing game from EA? F1 2002 :P

Agreed, especially with the GTR 2002 mod.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros


Highly speculative; we should have a special forum for speculations by the way.

As for the rest there is actually Car Talk; not that I mind carry on (just in case you missed it) :D

Only partialy speculative ;) This game is obviously street racing and there's only a couple ways to street race (A to B straight line is most popular, A to B with turns (I have seen a video where 2 supras race a total of like 40 miles along city street and superhighways) and small circuit though I'm not sure if anyone actually does the last one.). If it weren't street racing, then it wouldn't be underground :P The speculation part is that they won't include reasonable physics. But this was based on the game's target audience. They are targeting people who actually think the cars in 2 fast 2 furious can do what was shown on the screen. They can't by any means. There's a screen shot of a supra jumping a train. My bet, zero damage when it comes to earth. 2 fast 2 furious, zero damage when it comes to earth. Real world, send that baby to the junkyard, cuz you just broke your axels and pretty much every other part of the car. While in porche unleased you had to struggle to keep the car from spinning when you did something wrong, I'm willing to bet that you can smash into other vehicles with little handling depreciation in this game. I just know EA and games like this too well. If they prove me wrong, then that will be inpressive, but they won't :D

[Ailuros]

Only partialy speculative This game is obviously street racing and there's only a couple ways to street race (A to B straight line is most popular, A to B with turns (I have seen a video where 2 supras race a total of like 40 miles along city street and superhighways) and small circuit though I'm not sure if anyone actually does the last one.). If it weren't street racing, then it wouldn't be underground The speculation part is that they won't include reasonable physics. But this was based on the game's target audience. They are targeting people who actually think the cars in 2 fast 2 furious can do what was shown on the screen. They can't by any means. There's a screen shot of a supra jumping a train. My bet, zero damage when it comes to earth. 2 fast 2 furious, zero damage when it comes to earth. Real world, send that baby to the junkyard, cuz you just broke your axels and pretty much every other part of the car. While in porche unleased you had to struggle to keep the car from spinning when you did something wrong, I'm willing to bet that you can smash into other vehicles with little handling depreciation in this game. I just know EA and games like this too well. If they prove me wrong, then that will be inpressive, but they won't


Let me get this straight:

a) While you admit that the part about the game's physics is in fact speculative, you just delivered a novel sized rant about it being speculative only to some degree, while apparently there are only two choices either the game will have advanced physics or it won't.

b) Ironically the fact alone that it might or not have advanced physics, would define how the cars will react in the game.

c) The thread title had a question mark for the record, meaning that I bumped into the screenshots and I don't have a clue about the game other what I can see in a dozen of screenshots.

d) You'll be quick to disregard pretty much anything; so why do you even bother?

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros



Let me get this straight:

a) While you admit that the part about the game's physics is in fact speculative, you just delivered a novel sized rant about it being speculative only to some degree, while apparently there are only two choices either the game will have advanced physics or it won't.

b) Ironically the fact alone that it might or not have advanced physics, would define how the cars will react in the game.

c) The thread title had a question mark for the record, meaning that I bumped into the screenshots and I don't have a clue about the game other what I can see in a dozen of screenshots.

d) You'll be quick to disregard pretty much anything; so why do you even bother?

Don't be a stock broker :D Knowing EA, I'm not wrong. Just like knowing microsoft, Longhorn will be bloatware :P

Just look at the previous NFS game and the target audience of this one.

Me too...and I can tell from those screenshots, that the focus is on looks.

Er....eh? If I'm wrong, I'll own up/be surprised.

[Ailuros]

Me too...and I can tell from those screenshots, that the focus is on looks.

Fine; I'll upload a piccy of me and I'm sure you can tell if I'll win the lottery, won't you? Somehow special talents shouldn't be wasted :nana:

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros


Fine; I'll upload a piccy of me and I'm sure you can tell if I'll win the lottery, won't you? Somehow special talents shouldn't be wasted :nana:

I'm the Ms. Cleo of gaming :-D

[sj_hurst]

Originally posted by Blidd
Although I think these cars generally look garish enough in the first place, as soon as they get these awful paintjobs and body extension and God knows what else that serves only to make them look as tacky and cheap as the local illegal immigrant prostitute from the Philipines (to keep with the Asian theme of things) I really can't stand the sight of them anymore.

If I want to play a racing game with fancy cars, I'll take European ones with actual class and style over either Asian imports or American muscle cars any day.

I agree. Euro cars do have class (great styling). But what are you going to do? Buy an American video game console? :lol:

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/projectgothamracing2/index.html

[incandescent]

plaster, do you have a clue how much a supra costs?


okay, here's a 1998 Turbo, 6spd manual, standard factory options and 100k miles. 23 grande.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ur?kbb.AZ;984879;AZ019&85747;hch+p&722;Toyota;1998%20S upra&6;TO;B9&&&

Japanese sports cars have some fucking oomph man. There's nothing passe about a Skyline GT-R, or 3000GT VR-4. Just because it's japanese, doesn't mean its rice. Should we call all underpowered, shitty build quality domestics Beer burners? I love how you it's assumed a side must be chosen. You're either domestic pimp and import hater, or vice versa. I'd like to see some real recognition where it's due. Sure a Dodge Viper is a fantastic car --- but so is a 300zx; they may not be the same class, but both are fast as hell.

>>"I have yet to find a "ricer" that has been able to stack up to >470lbs torque and ~500hp of big block goodness linked to a 12-bolt rear and 5-speed manual."<<

and BTW, Sharkfood, 2JZ-GTEs and RB26DETTs routinely hit those numbers and far greater ---- and most MKIV owners know. 6spd > 5spd :D

[Plaster]

Originally posted by incandescent
plaster, do you have a clue how much a supra costs?


okay, here's a 1998 Turbo, 6spd manual, standard factory options and 100k miles. 23 grande.

http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ur?kbb.AZ;984879;AZ019&85747;hch+p&722;Toyota;1998%20S upra&6;TO;B9&&&

Japanese sports cars have some fucking oomph man. There's nothing passe about a Skyline GT-R, or 3000GT VR-4. Just because it's japanese, doesn't mean its rice. Should we call all underpowered, shitty build quality domestics Beer burners? I love how you it's assumed a side must be chosen. You're either domestic pimp and import hater, or vice versa. I'd like to see some real recognition where it's due. Sure a Dodge Viper is a fantastic car --- but so is a 300zx; they may not be the same class, but both are fast as hell.

Did you even look at the screen shots? Those are riced out cars. Big useless spoilers, some plastic ground effects to make em look lowered and the real speed enhancer, the gafitti on the doors.
http://www.stickershop.ca/images/misc/RiceInside.jpg

Honestly, you're coming up with a lot of shit here. I have absolutely no idea how you read anything I posted and came up with the idea that I'm against Japanese cars. I'm of the opinion (I'm allowed to have one of those) that people going out and buying spoilers for a street car is fruity. I point and laugh when I see someone drive by with neon lights either inside or underneath their riced out car. I'm not alone either, it's a rolling comedy show.

In short, I don't hate Jap cars. I wouldn't stick my nose up at the prospect of driving one. I wouldn't rice it out. I owe no respect to anything. You need to get laid. That about sums it all up.

[incandescent]

if you looked into the game a bit, you'd realise you don't need to put those stickers and shit on the car you play. THose screen shots are like that for the 2f2f frenzy croud of kids who own civics with parkbench spoilers (yeah, spoiler on FWD, brilliant). My comment towards you was aimed at this:

>>"If that's the case throw in cars that teenagers can't afford"<<

I'd love to be able to afford a brand new WRX STi, or any MKIV Supra. A lot of these car's are car's teenagres can't afford.

>>"I'm of the opinion (I'm allowed to have one of those) that people going out and buying spoilers for a street car is fruity. I point and laugh when I see someone drive by with neon lights either inside or underneath their riced out car. I'm not alone either, it's a rolling comedy show."<<

I agree 100%. However, the most common cars here that have that are Civics, Neons, and Focuses. 2 of 3 are domestics. 3 of 3 are not performance vehicles.

http://www.fast-autos.net/toyota/supra.jpg

thats a sweet looking ride. And surprise, surprise, the wing helps with RWD car at high speeds (most MKIV's can do close to 180 easily).

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/toyota/supraff_1.jpg

thats a friggen ugly ride. I don't care how fast it is, it is rice.

[incandescent]

for SG,


Once racers have their wheels, they can start street racing for fast profits and all the best parts. Those parts will change the look of the car and how that car will handle. In many other racing games, you’re given a few options that change the suspension and the tires but in Need for Speed Underground, you’ll be able to change specific parts for just about anything. Change the hood, change the wheels, change the bumpers, add some decals, tricks out the ground effects… this will make for an amazing amount of variation. Those parts will also change the way your car handles and the physics engine has been beefed up to better reflect those changes. In the real-time demo that we saw, our tricked out car spun our in an attempt to do a powerslide and we watched as the car lurched a little as the suspension kept the car in on the road. It’s an amazing effect that you just have to see.

http://www.eagames.com/news/nfsu_e3.jsp

note, the physics engine appears to be decent, and the mention of you have to ADD the decals and lame ground effects shit. You're car performs the same without yay --- just like in real life.

[sj_hurst]

Originally posted by Plaster

Honestly, you're coming up with a lot of shit here. I have absolutely no idea how you read anything I posted and came up with the idea that I'm against Japanese cars. I'm of the opinion (I'm allowed to have one of those) that people going out and buying spoilers for a street car is fruity. I point and laugh when I see someone drive by with neon lights either inside or underneath their riced out car. I'm not alone either, it's a rolling comedy show.

In short, I don't hate Jap cars. I wouldn't stick my nose up at the prospect of driving one. I wouldn't rice it out. I owe no respect to anything. You need to get laid. That about sums it all up.

That's exactly how I feel about foreign cars. Generally, I like them. But I make fun of the ones with goofy add-ons (esp. huge rear wings), fruity colored paint jobs, etc. (like that orange supra posted by Incand). But even the spoiler in that 1st pic is too big, IMO. It serves no real purpose, other than to signify rice-mobile.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by incandescent
http://www.fast-autos.net/toyota/supra.jpg

thats a sweet looking ride. And surprise, surprise, the wing helps with RWD car at high speeds (most MKIV's can do close to 180 easily).

That is a nice car and the only thing I can see that isn't stock, I don't like. The spoiler doesn't go over the rear window and thus impairs vision (It doesn't look like it's the stock spoiler....might be though. I thought the Supra spoilers were rounder.). But other than that it's nice.

You said something about Supras costing $23k and Iknow skylines are $80k+. Now if I were to spend $23k on a '70 Chevelle 454SS, Imagine the power I could make. I've found one for $9k before (damn I wish I'd had the money :mecry: ) and that leave $14k for performance parts and aestical repairs (like new dash panels to replace cracked ones) alone! I guarantee a $23k Chevelle will stomp a $23k Supra any day. And at the $80+ skyline competitor.....you've got yourself a drag car. The HP to CI ratio may be better in the imports, but the HP to $ ratio is definitely not. Not to mention it's much more impresive to drive by in an 800HP Chevelle that lopes and rumbles than it is to drive by in an 800HP Supra that whines and growls :P

And you don't need wings and body kits with muscle cars, but you may need wheelie bars :)

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by incandescent
for SG,


Once racers have their wheels, they can start street racing for fast profits and all the best parts. Those parts will change the look of the car and how that car will handle. In many other racing games, you’re given a few options that change the suspension and the tires but in Need for Speed Underground, you’ll be able to change specific parts for just about anything. Change the hood, change the wheels, change the bumpers, add some decals, tricks out the ground effects… this will make for an amazing amount of variation. Those parts will also change the way your car handles and the physics engine has been beefed up to better reflect those changes. In the real-time demo that we saw, our tricked out car spun our in an attempt to do a powerslide and we watched as the car lurched a little as the suspension kept the car in on the road. It’s an amazing effect that you just have to see.

http://www.eagames.com/news/nfsu_e3.jsp

note, the physics engine appears to be decent, and the mention of you have to ADD the decals and lame ground effects shit. You're car performs the same without yay --- just like in real life.

Well I'll be damned. Have to see it to believe it's all that they say it is, but I'll be damned. Coolnees. I'll have to try the demo.

[Ailuros]

I'm of the opinion (I'm allowed to have one of those) that people going out and buying spoilers for a street car is fruity. I point and laugh when I see someone drive by with neon lights either inside or underneath their riced out car. I'm not alone either, it's a rolling comedy show.

ROFL :D

Look up what the term Kitsch means in german :evil:

[Ailuros]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad


Well I'll be damned. Have to see it to believe it's all that they say it is, but I'll be damned. Coolnees. I'll have to try the demo.

*A-HEM*

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[Plaster]

Originally posted by Ailuros


ROFL :D

Look up what the term Kitsch means in german :evil:

Something done in bad taste only to accomidate a current fad?

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros


*A-HEM*

:P:P:P

Awwww.....fuck you mang :P

http://www.eagames.com/ps2/nfs_underground/home.jsp

"Twenty fully customizable, licensed cars are included in the game from Mitsubishi Motors, Subaru, Toyota, and many more.

Several unique racing events will be featured in the game including the following:
Drag Racing: Explode off of the line with three other racers, on the brink of control, as you race for the finish line.
Street Racing: Heat up the cold city streets with some high octane, high speed racing, finding the fastest lines through a variety of open city racecourses.

Hundreds of ways to customize your ride. Pick from major aftermarket parts manufacturers including AEM Inc., Audiobahn®, Bilstein®, Dazz Motorsport, DC Sports, Eibach®, Enkei, GReddy Performance Products Inc., HKS®, Holley®, Injen™, Jackson Racing, MOMO, Neuspeed®, Nitrous Express Inc., O.Z®, PIAA, Skunk2 Racing, Sparco®, StreetGlow®, and Turbonetics Inc.

Need for Speed Underground’s amazing graphics will immerse gamers in the world of after hours street racing. The diverse urban nighttime environments are modeled after a variety of highly detailed real-world urban landscapes. A new sensation of speed has been created in the game by the award winning Need For Speed team and an OSCAR® nominated Hollywood visual effects expert.

Over 100 unique events give racers the opportunity to earn cash, buy more upgrades, and unlock cars and tracks while increasing their street reputation.

A diverse collection of high-octane music keeps the game rolling.

Online support for up to 4 players on the PlayStation 2 (broadband only) and PC. "

Maybe they should mention these amazing physics on their website :P

If it's as the preview says, then it has potential...but we'll see. They have a poll up on the site that asks what car you'll likely be driving in the game. Eclipse, Supra, Celica, WRX STi, or Neon. (They are in that order too in popularity lol) You'd race an Eclipse over a Supra?!!!! You'd race a Celica over an WRX STi?!!!! ARE YOU NUTS?!! lol

[Ailuros]

Do they have boobytraps in your neck of woods Madame Cleo? :evil:

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Ailuros
Do they have boobytraps in your neck of woods Madame Cleo? :evil: '

Actually, boobytraps are great grounds for lawsuits in these parts ;)

[Ailuros]

I'll claim immunity; worst case insanity will work just as well :P:P:P

[Flywest]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad


That is a nice car and the only thing I can see that isn't stock, I don't like. The spoiler doesn't go over the rear window and thus impairs vision (It doesn't look like it's the stock spoiler....might be though. I thought the Supra spoilers were rounder.). But other than that it's nice.

You said something about Supras costing $23k and Iknow skylines are $80k+. Now if I were to spend $23k on a '70 Chevelle 454SS, Imagine the power I could make. I've found one for $9k before (damn I wish I'd had the money :mecry: ) and that leave $14k for performance parts and aestical repairs (like new dash panels to replace cracked ones) alone! I guarantee a $23k Chevelle will stomp a $23k Supra any day. And at the $80+ skyline competitor.....you've got yourself a drag car. The HP to CI ratio may be better in the imports, but the HP to $ ratio is definitely not. Not to mention it's much more impresive to drive by in an 800HP Chevelle that lopes and rumbles than it is to drive by in an 800HP Supra that whines and growls :P

And you don't need wings and body kits with muscle cars, but you may need wheelie bars :)

Yeah, ok take your 23K Chevelle and let's head to a track ( a Racing Circuit ) not a 1/4 mile. For example the Nurburgring, which is *THE* standard by which ALL sports cars ( heck even SUVs ) are tested. It won't be even funny. IMO if you want a drag car, you'd better off with American Muscle, that's been proven over and over. ( I'm not saying imports cannot drag , I know a Supra from TitanMotorsports that does 8.9 at 170 mph ) but for unadultery fun on a twisty road ( which is the true meaning of a sports car ) I'll choose a bone stock supra over a 800 hp Chevelle any day. Won't you ?


As for the game, I am *really* looking forward to it, it sounds like a Gran Turismo but geared more towards upgrades and customizations...which is what I absolutely loved about the GT series on the PS1/PS2.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Flywest


Yeah, ok take your 23K Chevelle and let's head to a track ( a Racing Circuit ) not a 1/4 mile. For example the Nurburgring, which is *THE* standard by which ALL sports cars ( heck even SUVs ) are tested. It won't be even funny. IMO if you want a drag car, you'd better off with American Muscle, that's been proven over and over. ( I'm not saying imports cannot drag , I know a Supra from TitanMotorsports that does 8.9 at 170 mph ) but for unadultery fun on a twisty road ( which is the true meaning of a sports car ) I'll choose a bone stock supra over a 800 hp Chevelle any day. Won't you ?


As for the game, I am *really* looking forward to it, it sounds like a Gran Turismo but geared more towards upgrades and customizations...which is what I absolutely loved about the GT series on the PS1/PS2.

Um....the typical street race IS a drag race silly. Hell the game even pimps 2 of its ingenious play modes: Drag race and street race (SAME DAMN THING). Not to mention that, if done right, the chevelle can handle a road course just as well as it can the drag strip. Anti-sway, tower bar and the like plus lowered suspension with lower profile racing tires and get rid of unneccessary weight. Have you ever seen a stock Cobra 427 race on a track? Yeah, it's amazing. Oh, did I mention that the average muscle car was designed as a family car? Yeah, they were designed to comfortably seat a family of 4. How's the Supra in passenger room? :P So basically you get the full package with American muscle. A family car that can hold its own from light to light even in stock trim and can handle a road course if needed (ever heard of the R/T line from dodge? Yeah, stock muscle cars specifically designed for road and track driving ;)). The Supra is a nice car, but it sure as hell is no Chevelle or GTO or HemiCuda.

Stock Supra Export Twin Turbo: 320HP, 315LB/FT torque, 3.0L displacement (1.78HP per CI)
Stock '70 Chevelle 454SS naturally aspirated: 450HP, 500LB/FT torque, 7.5L displacement (.99HP per CI)

While the HP/CI ratio on the Supra is much better, the non turbo version of the Supra makes only 220HP (1.2HP per CI) which is not exactly impressive. And though they're both used, the Chevelle will cost you less (Unless it's 100% fully restored to absolutely stock condition using parts that aren't even made anymore then it's $26k BEFORE you even start modifying it :P).

As for the game :P meh. If the physics are what they say, then it should be interesting. If not, then it's HP2 meets 2f2f. Still cater to the ricers though :P Why the HELL is there a dodge neon in this game??!

[Flywest]

A stock Cobra 427 ain't your typical family car isn't it ? :D

Now there is NO WAY a Charger or Hemi Cuda or Monaco would handle the way a Supra does on a racing circuit like the Nurburgring or any other circuit "a la F1". I wasn't referring to the ovals in the states where the Nascar cars battle. Geez I wonder why there is so few road circuits in the Winston Cup...I also wonder why in the GT classes ( ONLY road racing , no ovals ) there are no muscle cars ( except maybe Vipers , and the new Mustangs and Vettes, which are modern muscle cars with a real suspension , thus imo, are more american true sports cars than muscle cars), but there are Modenas, Porsches, BMWs, Supras, NSX, Skylines...heck even Integras.

Anti roll bars , sway bars..yes they do contribute to better handling , but more directly to counter bodyroll , but it goes FAR beyond that, shocks, springs, suspension configuration ( triangular, fixed axle ),weight distribution , heck even material used in the suspension pieces!


I wonder how a Charger R/T pulls on the 300 feet skidpad...a stock Supra does 0.98G though...if you are familiar with those figures you'll know that means slammed and sticked to the road.

70's Muscle cars were and are notorious for their speed and acceleration, but were also for their lack of road handling and grip...and IMO, that's a known fact.

There is thing called evolution, and it also applies for cars, not only computers. You just can't say a Charger R/T is a better car *overall* than a 1998 Supra Turbo, it's a non sense. Yes the Charger can keep up with the Supra in a straight line, maybe even edge it in acceleration ( which I doubt cause of the weight issues and aerodynamics ) but whenever you enter the twisted bends , it's bye bye, and you do it in total comfort and luxury with A/C, ABS brakes, leather seats etc etc.

As for the game, I don't know if you watched the trailer and read the interview on IGN with one of the designer but the street racing will be point A to point B in a city and the one who gets there first win...whatever road you take. So it won't be drag racing...you'll have to burn red lights, jump bridges, take bends etc etc...so no straight line, hence the 2nd gameplay mode called...Drag Racing.

[incandescent]

I wouldn't want a RWD Supra on a windy course --- I'd much rather have the Skyline GT-R. Anyone who knows this car's track history knows that its practically built for it.

[Flywest]

Originally posted by incandescent
I wouldn't want a RWD Supra on a windy course

You wouldn't because it's RWD ? Riighht... Then I guess you wouldn't want a 360 Modena on a windy course too...

:D

[incandescent]

I've driven several supras... It's not just that it's RWD, I just think it's handling isn't as track refined.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Flywest
A stock Cobra 427 ain't your typical family car isn't it ? :D

Now there is NO WAY a Charger or Hemi Cuda or Monaco would handle the way a Supra does on a racing circuit like the Nurburgring or any other circuit "a la F1". I wasn't referring to the ovals in the states where the Nascar cars battle. Geez I wonder why there is so few road circuits in the Winston Cup...I also wonder why in the GT classes ( ONLY road racing , no ovals ) there are no muscle cars ( except maybe Vipers , and the new Mustangs and Vettes, which are modern muscle cars with a real suspension , thus imo, are more american true sports cars than muscle cars), but there are Modenas, Porsches, BMWs, Supras, NSX, Skylines...heck even Integras.

Anti roll bars , sway bars..yes they do contribute to better handling , but more directly to counter bodyroll , but it goes FAR beyond that, shocks, springs, suspension configuration ( triangular, fixed axle ),weight distribution , heck even material used in the suspension pieces!


I wonder how a Charger R/T pulls on the 300 feet skidpad...a stock Supra does 0.98G though...if you are familiar with those figures you'll know that means slammed and sticked to the road.

70's Muscle cars were and are notorious for their speed and acceleration, but were also for their lack of road handling and grip...and IMO, that's a known fact.

There is thing called evolution, and it also applies for cars, not only computers. You just can't say a Charger R/T is a better car *overall* than a 1998 Supra Turbo, it's a non sense. Yes the Charger can keep up with the Supra in a straight line, maybe even edge it in acceleration ( which I doubt cause of the weight issues and aerodynamics ) but whenever you enter the twisted bends , it's bye bye, and you do it in total comfort and luxury with A/C, ABS brakes, leather seats etc etc.

As for the game, I don't know if you watched the trailer and read the interview on IGN with one of the designer but the street racing will be point A to point B in a city and the one who gets there first win...whatever road you take. So it won't be drag racing...you'll have to burn red lights, jump bridges, take bends etc etc...so no straight line, hence the 2nd gameplay mode called...Drag Racing.

No....no it's not :D

There are no muscle cars in GT racing because the rules of all sanctioned racing such as NASCAR, IHRA and GT require that all cars raced in the series must be production vehicles or modeled from production vehicles. There are certain specifications that the cars must meet in order to keep people from designing one off cars that would completely dominate. If a car isn't currently in production, then it can't be raced in GT ;)

I looked up the weight differences between a stock Supra and a stock Chevelle 454SS. The Supra is 3,328 pounds while the Chevelle is a whopping......3,500 pounds. A mere 170 pounds more from a big block making 450HP that has cast iron heads, manifolds and other various heavy stock pieces. All that's left is roll and that can be fixed with after market suspension that obviously wasn't availible in 1970.

I wonder too, but I couldn't find any specs. And you have to be careful which direction you test it, because it has an extra leaf on one side of the rear end to compensate for the effects of torque ;)

Actually, the Chevelle was designed for superior road handling and then they decided to make the 450HP 454CI LS6 engine to go in it.

I don't like the Charger R/T myself :P Not enough power. It all depends on what you've done to the car. Sure, the stock supra would pull away from a stock Chevelle on a road course. But I can get a stock Chevelle for $9K and there's no way in hell you're gonna get a running Supra MKIV twin turbo for $9k. If we bring them up to the same price range ($20k minimum)....I'm sure I can make a Chevelle that can easily compete. It's all in what you do.

Hmmm....cool I suppose. I'll try the demo when it comes out, but I don't typically pay for eye candy, so if gameplay sux......rip it or forget it :P

[Flywest]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad


No....no it's not :D

There are no muscle cars in GT racing because the rules of all sanctioned racing such as NASCAR, IHRA and GT require that all cars raced in the series must be production vehicles or modeled from production vehicles. There are certain specifications that the cars must meet in order to keep people from designing one off cars that would completely dominate. If a car isn't currently in production, then it can't be raced in GT ;)



AFAIK, the Supra isn't in production anymore, yet, it still competes in GT.


Regarding your statement on gameplay vs graphics, I couldn't agree more.

[Flywest]

Originally posted by incandescent
I've driven several supras... It's not just that it's RWD, I just think it's handling isn't as track refined.

Dunno what kind of supras you've driven or what is your driving style hehe :D.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Flywest


AFAIK, the Supra isn't in production anymore, yet, it still competes in GT.


Regarding your statement on gameplay vs graphics, I couldn't agree more.

They stopped production in 2002 which means they had a 2003 model. My bet is they won't be able to race Supras next year ;)


It's why I didn't like UT2K3 or NFS: HP2, they stressed looks over substance.

[incandescent]

you are so wrong it hurts me. 1999 - Supra production ceases and what a sad thing that was.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by incandescent
you are so wrong it hurts me. 1999 - Supra production ceases and what a sad thing that was.

Eh? http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/toyota_supra.asp

http://www.travel-suite.com/2003%20supra.gif
2003 Toyota Supra
The 2003 Toyota Supra receives minor cosmetic updates from the 2002 model. The exterior revisions include a new front bumper with a wider upper intake nestled in the front fascia, newly-available high intensity discharge headlights, and redesigned rear lights. The 2003 Toyota Supra is still hot.

http://www.travel-suite.com/2003-Toyota-Supra.htm

[Flywest]

Dunno where you got that, that site is way wrong, there are no supras since 1999 , 1998 in the US. That Supra is a Veilside one ( aftermarket company )

[DUKE HARDKNOCK]

Originally posted by Sir_Gallahad
http://www.travel-suite.com/2003%20supra.gif
2003 Toyota Supra

Does it look like that by default? If so I wouldn't be caught dead sitting in that thing. Well, not in the driver's seat, anyway... I'd feel like I was in some absurd anime contraption come to life.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by Flywest
Dunno where you got that, that site is way wrong, there are no supras since 1999 , 1998 in the US. That Supra is a Veilside one ( aftermarket company )

Well I knew they stopped coming to the US in '98, but I've gotten alot of hit for 2003 Supra and the picture is from cars direct. Hell I just finished reading an article on the plans for the 2003 Supra at Toyota of Japan's website... http://www.toyota.co.jp/IRweb/corp_info/pr/2003/0225.html :dunno:

[incandescent]

thats an Aftermarket model of the Supra. They take a 1998 or 99 Supra stock and modify it then sell it as a whole car.

[Sir_Gallahad]

Originally posted by incandescent
thats an Aftermarket model of the Supra. They take a 1998 or 99 Supra stock and modify it then sell it as a whole car.

That makes sense...now what of the toyota of japan article :P

[incandescent]

since Nissan has re-introduced the Z car (350z) and has declared intentions to equip the VQ V6 engine in it with a turbo (or 2!), Toyota is redoing the Supra line to compete. The Celica simply isn't in the same league as the 350z.

[Slippydog]

Nothing's in the same league as the 350z. With a performance FLOP like the Nissan, being bested by cars that are not even in it's class ie.....Mitsubishi Evolution, WRX STI (although in the same price range, not the same class, and the Dodge Neon SVT of all cars which sports a healthy 0-60 time just a little faster than the 350z.
Hopefully if Toyota brings back the Supra, we will see something that actually has some balls again.
They shoulda brought it back after Fast and the Furious since Supra sales doubled after that movie.

[Blighter]

wow

[incandescent]

Originally posted by Slippydog
Nothing's in the same league as the 350z. With a performance FLOP like the Nissan, being bested by cars that are not even in it's class ie.....Mitsubishi Evolution, WRX STI (although in the same price range, not the same class, and the Dodge Neon SVT of all cars which sports a healthy 0-60 time just a little faster than the 350z.
Hopefully if Toyota brings back the Supra, we will see something that actually has some balls again.
They shoulda brought it back after Fast and the Furious since Supra sales doubled after that movie.


you do understand the two first cars you listed are AWD rally cars, and the Neon SVT simply isn't the car the 350z is. The 350z is a roadster car bro, not a rally car. They do have a track edition, but its not a rally car.

[Blighter]

Forget those crappy Japanese cars.

Try a BMW M3, M5 or Z8 instead.