I want a brand new ATI Radeon2 NOW NOW NOW!!!! [Archive]

babystinky

08-08-01, 05:51 PM

Livecoma I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want the RADEON 2 as well!!!! That Chip <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Ge-force 3 isn't what it is cracked up to be <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> and i am noticing to many slow downs!!!! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

ATI hurry with the product! I heard it is september, and I have also heard from some reliable people that I will sell my ge-force after seeing what this card can d0!!

Well I sure hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nvidia has let me down big time, the only thing is ATI and its drivers but I have heard they are getting a whole lot better.

Nvidia cards are totally OVER_RATED! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Apoch003

08-08-01, 06:17 PM

ME TOO! I want a Radeon2 now now NOW NOW NOW!!! C'mon ATi! You've all already read my review of the GF3 and know I'm not impressed with it, either.

Apoch

SirPauly

08-08-01, 06:36 PM

nVidia cards have all been over-hyped since the TNT. Nice cards over-all if you don't expect the world like they claim.

On the Radeon2:

I have finally read something on FSAA and the term is Adaptive FSAA in the Pixel Tapestry 2 engine for the R2. Don't know what it is... but something that sparks my interest 'cause quality FSAA is a wonderful option.

Another sparking of interest is how effective will their Texture, Vertex, and Pixel cache's be?

I really want to know more about the Charisma engine 2-which is their T&L unit... we know about TruForm and N-Patches; but what about Matrices and lights... and raw power?

We know about the 6 texure layers with one pass but how many TMU's?

It sure looks like four pipes and that is awesome.IF TRUE.. clocked at 250mhz with ram to match at launch. Even if it has three pipes.. I am still interested.

Also.... I want to know how effective HyperZ 2 is..... owning a Radeon certainly opened my eyes to HyperZ at super high resolutions with heavy IQ.

I will be more than happy with this:

Four pipes running at 250mhz, 250 DDR Ram.

Three TMU's per pipe..... that is 12 and if three pipes that would be 9..... more than enough and why add more? The three theme must be kept to insure the existing Radeon's family to keep them more future proof which enhances their sales and OEM deals because the existing Radeon family will bring in solid revenues for some time due to a solid feature set that is still has not been tapped, imho. You simply would not ignore this.. with the R2 when the existing Radeon family will be your bulk of revenues for some time.

More effective HyperZ 2.

FSAA:

Quality on-par with the GeForce3, but ATI did say something in the past and basically said, " WE have plans for FSAA." Could Adaptive FSAA be part of their original plan? ..... because OGSS FSAA was added for their customers for their Radeon because of 3dfx's FSAA.

Edit:

I just found this out.. on ADAPTIVE FSAA

[quote]Apparently it is an addaptive multisampling. They go up to 16 samples. I assume they base this on the Z, with distant objects getting more samples than near ones.<hr></blockquote> Grain of salt though. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Exceptional 2d and DVD with the Theater2 chip.

Trilinear Sampled Anisotropic but with a lesser hit.

Incredible Shaders.. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

A feature that is innovative....TruForm and n-patches. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Price? Hoping for 299 but will pay 349... if the chip delivers what I want.

Improved Pixel and colour precision.

More lighting abilties.

Speed and Raw power but not just in benchmarks, and especially not just in FLUFF benchmarks, but with heavy IQ and the chip pushed hard in a multitude of titles, not one's that nVidia or ATI wants benchmarked...hehehehehe. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Looks to be an impressive chip but still too early. However, I am getting a bit excited my self for a true-blue upgrade.... that enhances my gaming experience. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Time will tell.

But, no matter what you buy; it always gets defeated in due time but that is not the point.

What is the point?

The point is: can the products offer a quality experience in the time window you own the product?

We don't own these cards forever.... the gaming key is how each gamer defines their own window of time. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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Particle

08-08-01, 07:36 PM

GeForce 3 Owners, better sell your video cards while they are worth something.

Ailuros

08-08-01, 07:52 PM

I've done some minor research on Adaptive FSAA and what I got so far is really poor. Apparently it's some form of multisampling, in this case probably called adaptive multisampling reaching up to 16 samples, but I don't know if the drivers will support more than 4 for the time, because as it looks adaptive eats up a lot of bandwidth too.

I'm still keeping a benefit of doubt on the number of pipelines/TMU's until specs are announced but I'm not really concerned about that part. What interests me is it's memory bus interface, wether it's a true 256bit bus or just a "definition"....

It has to have a far more effective "workaround" what memory throughput concerns than the GF3 to really pull away from it and the GF3's memory crossbar controller has quite a bit of efficiency. No math, speculation or prediction helps here. I want to see the cards real bandwidth and HOW IT PERFORMS.

As for GF3 owners being in a need to sell their cards for a R200, let me reserve my very personal benefit of doubt until I see performance and efficiency.

What I really like is it's vertex cache. Let's see how the whole combination with the second generation of Hyper-Z puns out in real-life before we jump to any conclusions.

ATI has the guts to strike back and it will be a VERY nice product that's the only thing I can be sure about. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

SirPauly

08-09-01, 01:59 AM

Ati's road map:

 <a href="http://www.geocities.com/akemimiyo/roadmap.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/akemimiyo/roadmap.html</a>

 As with anything that has not been officially introduced, well, a grain of salt.. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . but certainly places more merit on the R2 having four pipes and the Rv200 having two pipes.

EvilEngine

08-09-01, 04:01 AM

Well guys I cant wait either. I've been waiting for that Uber card to arrive .. and hopefully the Next-Gen Radeon is it. Hell I got $500 sitting right next to me all prepared for that magical day. My Gf2 needs a retirement to another pc in my LAN. I need some more POWER!

babystinky

08-09-01, 04:12 AM

SirPauly,

thanks for the link. I have personally heard some really good things about the next card.(R2) But I really can't say what will happen.

And now I really do see the "hype" of Nvidia as being produced by a lot of those benchmark sites.

It does look promising and I really hope it is, I think Nvidia will try and waist no time to get out their ULTRA version near the Radeon, just to try and keep the edge.

But for me now it boils down to image quality more than anything and not over-kill in frames.

The weird thing is I replaced my voodoo 3500 with a ge-force 3 and all I can say is I had a lot more fun on my old card.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed!! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Ailuros

08-09-01, 04:48 AM

Pauly,

the RV200 doesn't only have 2 pipes less but probably the same hardwired dx7 T&L unit present on Radeons, at least according to that graph...

Babystinky,

If that graph should hole merit (as Pauly said, grain, salt of...) than as soon NVIDIA pops out it's ultra version they just release a DUAL chip R200 or just a higher clocked single chip R200.

If they succeeded with a dual chip sollution, it's going to cost quite a bit, but NVIDIA won't have any sollution to beat either triangle througput or bandwidth. And it is going to be speed with IQ where it will matter. Just double the framerate in future games <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Ailuros

08-09-01, 05:21 AM

AHA!

Now it starts getting interesting....

Ichneumon:

[quote]A tasty tidbit on Adaptive FSAA... it can select from a number of AA patterns for each pixel rather than a fixed pattern for the whole image. I'm assuming this means something along the lines of instead of ordered grid or rotated grid, it can adapt the grid used per-pixel. Might explain some of the sweet AA in the Rogue Leader pics in the console forum? <hr></blockquote>

That does of course come at a cost in performance if true and applicable. Just eliminates though the need for high-tap anisotropic in quite a number of occasions. Interesting!

Wedge

08-09-01, 06:35 AM

Live, thats IF you manage to get that OCZ stuff shipped to you, and its also between 1600 and 1700, so, its a big variable.

<MGL>

08-09-01, 08:14 AM

>>"A tasty tidbit on Adaptive FSAA... it can select from a number of AA patterns for each pixel rather than a fixed pattern for the whole image. I'm assuming this means something along the lines of instead of ordered grid or rotated grid, it can adapt the grid used per-pixel. Might explain some of the sweet AA in the Rogue Leader pics in the console forum?"<<

that sounds an awefull lot alike stochastic AA... if only it anti-aliased in waves like our eyes see...

GrimFaceOfReality

08-09-01, 08:54 AM

My $.02:

1) R200 will have 2 TMUs per pipe: with DX8, there is no need for more. Although the third TMU might be useful in some cases, it is simply not worth it.

2) Getting a card/chip to the market is a lengthy process that takes months. There is going to be no "plopping out" of anything. If Nvidia plans to release a new card this fall, they should have been working on it for the past 3-12 months. Ditto for ATi. If they have decided that MAXX is a feasible solution, they are going to release it independent of what Nvidia does.

JF_Aidan_Pryde

08-09-01, 11:21 AM

If I'm not mistaken, Adaptive FSAA is based on the distance in the 3D Scene. Ailuros is right, it goes up to 16 samples and scales accordingly with distance found in the z-buffer. The further into the scene, the more samples is used.

Clever. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Apoch003

08-09-01, 11:32 AM

That IS clever. Just like Hyper-z is clever. This company really likes to progress.

Madd Frog

08-09-01, 02:51 PM

I am waiting as well, what really makes it exciting to me is to see the jump in IQ that ATI made from the Rage to the Radeon, amazing to me, I remember a lot of doubtfulness from HW sites on the original Radeon, doubting ATI severely, I think ATI proved them wrong with the Radeon, and now they are being taken very seriously on the R2. Hyper Z is a great feature, something that 3DFX probally would have come with if they were still around, we will have to wait to see what the card really has to offer, from the rumors out there it should be great, but that damn grain of salt come's up again. As for drivers, ATI has taken care of that pretty well with the Radeon, almost to much so, to many driver revision's is sometimes to much...to me at least! <img src="graemlins/evil.gif" border="0" alt="[I am EVIL]" /> <img src="graemlins/psmiley.gif" border="0" alt="[The penguin]" /> <img src="graemlins/eatme.gif" border="0" alt="[Eat me!]" /> ...sorry for that, just noticed the new smiley's and could not help my self....

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Ailuros

08-09-01, 03:47 PM

Grim,

ATI started designing the R200 months after NVIDIA started working on the NV20 concept. The time of release of either product speaks volumes. They were fiddling with a dual chip sollution from the start, but I have no idea if they've surpassed the problems they hit into during all that time.

It would be wiser IMHO to just release a higher clocked single chip if needed. ----------------------------------

Something else: why are so many people so sure that NVIDIA is working either on a value or high-end version of the NV20? Even if there is a working higher clocked prototype even with more ram it doesn't automatically mean that they'll release it. But we'll see.

Perpetualis

08-09-01, 07:09 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Wedge: Live, thats IF you manage to get that OCZ stuff shipped to you, and its also between 1600 and 1700, so, its a big variable.<hr></blockquote>

 I arranged for a "special" Thunderbird shipped airmail tommorow. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

GrimFaceOfReality

08-10-01, 08:23 AM

Ail, what I am getting at is that neither ATi nor Nvidia can decide to release a card and do so two weeks later. Both of them have planned out their fall lineup in spring. There is prolly a good chance that we will see AFR solution from ATi this fall, but it will be because they decided make one in April, and not because Nvidia released GF3 Ultra and they decided to "plop out" a card to combat it on the same week.

[quote]It would be wiser IMHO to just release a higher clocked single chip if needed. <hr></blockquote>

No argument from me there, I am not a big fan of multichip solutions. But again the same mechanics apply: the decision to release higher-clocked R200 in October has to be made in May, not in September.

[quote]Something else: why are so many people so sure that NVIDIA is working either on a value or high-end version of the NV20? <hr></blockquote>

Well, knowing Nvidia, they are working on something. And that something is probably based on their previous architecture. Putting two and two together...

In addition, costs of developing a new card/chip are so high that a company would not even embark on such a project if they didn't anticipate it being successful (resulting in a release). It not like ATi or Nvidia spend last 6-24 months developing a bunch of products to "maybe release them, maybe not".

To sum it all up, development of new product consumes large amount of time and other resources, thus companies (smart companies, anyway) commit to the development and carry it through only when they anticipate a very high chance of success. This is why card X doesn’t get "plopped out" only because competitor released card Y last week.

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Ailuros

08-10-01, 08:48 AM

Grim,

when they design/deside for a future product they do have a usually an idea what competitors more or less have in the work. The R200's design started at least 4-5 months after NVIDIA had started with their NV20. Their goal was/is to bring out a very very competitive product and as far as it seems at the moment they will succeed with it.

Believe me they were working on a dual chip sollution but had trouble with the AGPx4 bridge, no idea if they solved it, were just experimenting or finally have already decided to release it.

A dual chip sollution doesn't necessarily mean a redesign of the chip, if the chip is designed from the beginning to be scalable and leave a window open for the future. Although you have a point on the initial design of a chip and the almost two years needed from design to mass production, it's not uncommon that companies fall into the "feature creep" trap, or even decide for last minute implementations if the hardware allows it. I don't think I need examples here......

ATI knew that they can win more points against the GF3 if they come along with more bandwidth and/or some more features. The clock speed with the initial R200 will most likely reveal what road they've chosen to take what bandwidth concerns. My guess is a 230-250mhz release which will scale after some months when DDR ram prices drop even more to 283-300mhz. It's not only that dual chip did or did not work for them, it's the very high cost of such a card and the problems it would have to drop after some time in pricing to competitive sollutions.

On the NV2+ coming fall/early winter from NVIDIA my "insticts" tell me that it won't be just a higher clocked NV20. It'll have a die shrink to start with and most probably two vertex shaders, and a much higher clock speed. Quite a bit different than the GTS-PRO-Ultra product line. What really interests me here, is which company will release the first budget dx8 compliant vga, cause I'm pretty sure the RV200 won't be. That's still a market that needs to be addressed. Surprise surprise, NVIDIA will be most probably be again first there......

SirPauly

08-10-01, 04:47 PM

I simply don't understand the concern of a dual-chip option as a FLAG-SHIP product.

ALL, imho. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Let's look at the differences here.

First off.... ATI designed their own bridge chip to help handle the AGP Geometry and Texture data, etc..

This area KILLED 3dfx.

It is going to be a 500+ item... and only a .15 micron die chip...

It isn't main-stream.

There is no way in hell you can get a higher clocked version to run as fast as two chips. Especially two chips as fast as the R2 should be.

It will not be a slight advantage over others... but a massive one, imho.

This is not a tile-based architecture where a modest clocking makes a huge difference.

What will this mean for ATI?

It will make ATI the undisputed speed King and the perception crown of 3d. The consumer will take notice of what ATI is offering from the VE, to mobile Radeon to the R2 and Rv200 offerings.

Hard-core gamers will be talking about ATI..... ATI will be mentioned every-where.

This is what the Crown offers.

Now, it will not bring in massive revenues for ATI but will bring in some and who knows? It may surprise some.

Also they can use the bridge chip and dual chips for the professional market where the bulk of the revenues will come from, imho.

You can still offer a higher clocked version of the R2's.... like they are doing with the SE's replacing the retail Vivo's now.... to give them more life before the introductions of the R300 line and add them to a cheaper Maxx boards to give them more life and an option as time passes to offer more bang-for-the-buck to keep sales strong.

A dual chip can drop in price..... but a quad chip would be much tougher.....IT is a dual chip FLAG SHIP product and probably will be launched at over 500 dollars.

I could see the point of the R2 Maxx was a main-stream product but it isn't.

What does ATI need more than anything over nVidia?

POWER.... RAW POWER AND SPEED but with quality.

Why not SPANK them when they can?

Timing is the key.

How many shots do you think nVidia will allow this to happen? .... you have a chance NOW to take the lead in a BIG way and try to keep it.

MAN....what this wouldn't do for the ATI name.

FLAG SHIP.. product..and this is what FLAG-SHIP products do. Make a statement and make noise.

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Perpetualis

08-10-01, 04:56 PM

I really hope a dual chip Radeon2 comes out, or is atleast announced at the same time the single chip version is.

 It would suck if I baught a R2, then a month latter the dual chip version came out forcing me to buy yet another video card hehe.

Ailuros

08-10-01, 05:11 PM

Livecoma,

I know buying hardware sucks in that aspect. The minute you buy something, the next something better is around the corner hehehehe <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Pauly,

The R200 will most likely not change as much as you would like to expect. Kind of like a Spectre thing <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> I'm placing my bets on the R300. I wish I only knew what NVIDIA has in store for the NV30. But beginning of next year should finally light up some interest again, because -although I expected this year to be exciting- it was rather boring...

It's time for some fireworks in the 3D gaming market not some small sparks like up to now.

Let's see the announcements first before we take a dual chip configuration for granted.

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rhink

08-10-01, 05:13 PM

>>What interests me is it's memory bus interface, wether it's a true 256bit bus or just a "definition"....<<

their dual 128 bit buses sounds sorta like NVIDIA's crossbar architecture... just 2 128 buses instead of 4 64 bit buses, however. The 333 mhz, 128 bit DDR memory on say, the GF2 could more accurately be described as 166 mhz, 256 bit memory because of the way it addresses and reads from the memory (it reads 256 bit chunks instead of 128 bit chunks). So, if ATI is using twin 128 bit buses, it'd just be splitting that same DDR into 2 channels... it could read 2 128 bit chunks per memory cycle instead of 1 256 bit, just like NVIDIA's crossbar architecture on the GF3 can read 4 64 bit chunks per memory clock. That's my take anyhow... seems to make the most sense to me based on the available info.

Ailuros

08-10-01, 05:17 PM

Makes sense in my rather uneducated "3D mind" hehehehehe. Now wouldn't that double with a dual-chip card?

Theoretically at least or would that bring other bottlenecks to the surface?

Just curious <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

SirPauly

08-10-01, 05:45 PM

[quote]The R200 will most likely not change as much as you would like to expect.<hr></blockquote>

And what do I expect?

Let's say two to three months before the R300's are released... they raise the core clock and add a higher clocked DDR when this ram is more viable? To keep the sales strong instead of marketing it as brand-new cutting-edge product like nVidia was doing... is not expecting too much. Not saying they will, but may.

Did you feel that?

I know it hit ya.

I just did throw a glove at you....hehehehe. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

 [quote] Let's see the announcements first before we take a dual chip configuration for granted.<hr></blockquote>

I am not taking a R2 Maxx for granted.... but considering the option and see it as a nice positive if offered.

I know ATI has MAXX technology.

I know ATI used it before on a retail chip.

I know ATI designed a Bridge chip for it.

I know the technology is in the Radeon core so-to-speak.

I know ATI wants to enter the Professional Market.

This is what I do know.

Only Time will tell if ATI decides to offer a R2 Maxx but the evidence kinda makes you lean in that direction; that they will, but doesn't translate 'till they officially announce it. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Matter of Fact: I am throwing another glove but probably missed this time. Did I? Pretty tough being accurate throwing them from New England to Greece and was fortunate to hit ya with the first glove. hehehe. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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Ailuros

08-10-01, 06:02 PM

Not sure what you mean, but let's see:

[quote]Let's say two to three months before the R300's are released... they raise the core clock and add a higher clocked DDR when this ram is more viable? To keep the sales strong instead of marketing it as brand-new cutting-edge product like nVidia was doing... is not expecting too much. Not saying they will, but may.<hr></blockquote>

Well they will. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> 3.3ns Infineon DDR ram is still quite expensive last time I checked.

I'm still not getting what you mean. The Radeon can be scaled too with some modifications if they wanted to. (edit: I mean multiple chip sollutions here) They scaled 166/183/200 on the Radeon, what clock speed concerns. Starting at 230-250mhz means excellent prospects and yields for scaling the clock speed after months.

Care to elaborate? I feel I've lost you somewhere and I'm a bit slow today cause I'm really tired......

 [quote]I know ATI designed a Bridge chip for it<hr></blockquote>

True. But it's still no MAXX configuration as we've seen it in the Rage series. Totally different. Time will definitely tell hehehehe <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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Apoch003

08-10-01, 06:05 PM

SIGH! and I mean SIGH!

Can't we just start a thread stating that we want it, we want it NOW (a simple thought) without breaking it down into yet ANOTHER technobabble dialogue?

You know what? NEITHER of you two KNOW for sure ANYTHING about the R200 other than what ATi has officially released. Speculating on dual chip technology in the future should be left to the pervue of the people working at ATi design.

Apoch

Ailuros

08-10-01, 06:10 PM

Ever tried your foot with tabasco on it Apoch? *chuckle*

SirPauly

08-10-01, 06:24 PM

[quote]NEITHER of you two KNOW for sure ANYTHING about the R200 other than what ATi has officially released. Speculating on dual chip technology in the future should be left to the pervue of the people working at ATi design.<hr></blockquote>

And?

What is the point about this?

No shit... it is called speculating and discussing opinions and throwing gloves. Where does it state anywhere this is FACT?

If you don't want to discuss it -- then don't, and don't be such an ASS <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Apoch003

08-10-01, 06:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Ailuros: Ever tried your foot with tabasco on it Apoch? *chuckle*<hr></blockquote>

At least you said something that was in simple English that time! LOL I expected a rebuttal from one or both of you. So fire away. <img src="graemlins/eatme.gif" border="0" alt="[Eat me!]" />

Ailuros

08-10-01, 06:32 PM

Well I have the final specs right here if you should wonder. The only thing I don't know yet is the nature of the T&L unit for the RV200 cause it has a blank space under T&L.

Bon Apetit <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

longdog24

08-10-01, 06:34 PM

Well I'm not gonna be drawn into technobabble untill we see the actual specs. I'll just say: "Yes! I want one too!!" Whatever the price will be in the states you can garuntee that we'll pay double for it in the UK. That's just the way it is, but since I'm selling my house, I think I should be able to afford one. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> (No really, I am selling my house. So I'll put a nice 1.3gig Athlon on my list too <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> )

Apoch003

08-10-01, 06:38 PM

Ailuros, Are you serious? Can you post them? Are they anything OTHER than what's been posted by ATi?

Would be cool to see them. Apoch

SirPauly

08-10-01, 06:46 PM

Ailuros,

Duck!! ( as glove nearly hits) <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[quote] 3.3ns Infineon DDR ram is still quite expensive last time I checked.<hr></blockquote>

Ailuros, what will the price be 6 months from now?

You can check then... <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[quote]Care to elaborate?<hr></blockquote>

I am not getting that last part and is not clear for me to elaborate, I am just confused a bit here.

All I am saying is... in about 6 months after launch... ATI could raise the core of the R2 and add higher ram... similar to what they did with the retail Radeon Vivo. That's all. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

[quote]But it's still no MAXX configuration as we've seen it in the Rage series<hr></blockquote>

Yes and no,

All, imho.

It is not the same MaXX configuration as the Rage.....it will be a MaXX configuration for the R2, if offered. It is still based on Maxx tech but obviously more polished and refined with a bridge chip to work with Maxx tech, imho.

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Ailuros

08-10-01, 06:47 PM

Yes I've been always dead serious about stuff like that. Ever heard that the father of Truform is a Greek? *snort*

Yes the net has come very close in speculations. I've said when the NV20 launched that the R200 will have more features than it. I know you'd love to hear more, but I'm very "protective" with people that honour me with their confidence.

Patience it's only a matter of days. And I believe it to be on shelves at least until mid September, with Europe coming awefully late this time probably which pretty much sux0rs for us Europeans grrrrrrrrr

SirPauly

08-10-01, 06:49 PM

[quote]Bon Apetit<hr></blockquote>

Throws many gloves. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Bastard, why do have to tease like that? <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Well, we will find out in due time.

Apoch003

08-10-01, 06:53 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Ailuros: Yes I've been always dead serious about stuff like that. Ever heard that the father of Truform is a Greek? *snort*

Yes the net has come very close in speculations. I've said when the NV20 launched that the R200 will have more features than it. I know you'd love to hear more, but I'm very "protective" with people that honour me with their confidence.

Patience it's only a matter of days. And I believe it to be on shelves at least until mid September, with Europe coming awefully late this time probably which pretty much sux0rs for us Europeans grrrrrrrrr<hr></blockquote>

<img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Sorry, I'm a cynic. As much as I want to believe you. I'm afraid I'm finding it difficult. I sure hope that doesn't cost me your friendship.

Apoch

Ailuros

08-10-01, 06:54 PM

Pauly,

I did understand you correctly then.... <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Less than 10 bucks for a 16mb stick I believe, unless they have some shitty unpredictable earthquake in Asia again *ahem*

longdog24

08-10-01, 07:01 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Ailuros: I've said when the NV20 launched that the R200 will have more features than it.<hr></blockquote>

Prettey obvious considering GF3 was released months ago when R200 was still in development.

[quote]Originally posted by Ailuros: ...with Europe coming awefully late this time probably which pretty much sux0rs for us Europeans grrrrrrrrr<hr></blockquote>

And as I said just now, I bet we have the "luxury" of paying twice what the north americans do. I'm really starting to hate living in the UK, we pay through the nose for everything, and on top of that, we don't earn as much!! The UK suxOrs!! I'll second that grrrrrrrr. <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

Ailuros

08-10-01, 07:06 PM

Apoch,

What do I have to win or lose? Absolutely nothing.

Wether someone believes my crap or not is completely irrelevant on how I feel or react what others concerns.

SirPauly

08-10-01, 07:10 PM

[quote]I'm really starting to hate living in the UK<hr></blockquote>

Well, you're selling your house.... you will have the funds to move to North America and when the Government asks you why you want to live here... you can say......well, this could really happen in the future"

Imigration Employee:

"Excuse me Sir: What is the main reason why you want to move here to Canada?"

" Man, I can get my new ATI 3d card sooner and cheaper... awesome to live in North America."

Imigration Employee:

"This is getting to be a very popular reason to move here as of late and the 10th person this morning with the same reason."

Longdog:

" You have no idea how cool the R2 will be... you should check it out and very fortunate to live here."

Imigration Employee:

" Thanks, I never realized how lucky I am.... You made my day."

Longdog:

" Thanks"

GrimFaceOfReality

08-10-01, 07:16 PM

Ail, is there something significant about R200 that most people don't know of/don't expect already? I mean, we know of Trueform and SmartShaders, AGP bridge and suspect 4 pipes with 2 TMUs. I always argued that clockspeed is completely trivial and I still don't get why people get so worked-up about it.

So, is there a MAJOR aspect of R200 which most of us are totally unaware of? Simple "yes" or "no" will be enough.

GrimFaceOfReality

08-10-01, 07:21 PM

Pauly, and what is Kyro 3 comes out the next day and XBA-based chip a week after that? You gonna keep moving around the world? <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

Ailuros

08-10-01, 07:23 PM

The most important part is that it won't have a much higher bandwidth than the GF3 if any...

ATI has invested a lot in IQ though.

longdog24

08-10-01, 07:53 PM

You have to see Apoch's point though Ailuros. I mean, I don't want to put you down or anything but, it's pretty implausable that some anonymous guy from Greece is going to be privy to ALL the final specs on a new vga long before anything is even remotely public. The only way you could get that sort of info is if you personally knew some people in ATI, who trust you well enough to give it you. I'd say, seeing that ATI is based in Canada, and you aren't, the chances of knowing someone well enough to trust you with that kind of information is pretty remote. And as I said, it was easy to say things like "R200 will have more features than NV20" when GF3 was launched, as R200 was so far away. Infact, mostly everything you've said regarding R200 has been a pretty safe bet. Give us some proof.

BTW: LOL Pauly <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> . I'd love to move to north america, unfortunately I don't think I'd make enough money out of my house. I should make around £26,000, that's around $37,250. Certainly not enough to move over and get a new house/furnature ect.

EDIT: I actually did try to emmigrate to Canada around two years ago, but it's so damn hard to get in!! Unless you have relatives over there, speak fluent english AND french and are a brain surgeon it's impossible. They just won't let an average joe like me in (who could blame them <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ). So it looks like I'm well and truly stuck here <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> I could go somewhere else in europe, but as I only speak english I don't think It'd last long.

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Wedge

08-11-01, 01:25 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Livecoma: 

 I arranged for a "special" Thunderbird shipped airmail tommorow. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <hr></blockquote>

riiiight sorry but the way things are going at OCZ all I's smell from this post is BS (plus I read your forum post basicly saying Can you PLEASE send me a special chip?? with j/k added to it, and then some mod saying no)

Perpetualis

08-11-01, 02:06 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Wedge: 

riiiight sorry but the way things are going at OCZ all I's smell from this post is BS (plus I read your forum post basicly saying Can you PLEASE send me a special chip?? with j/k added to it, and then some mod saying no)<hr></blockquote>

 Actually no mod at all responded to that thread, and why do you give two shits if it might be BS or not (Which it isn't)? Its definatly, definatly in the realm of possibility that I could get in touch with OCZ, arrange for a special CPU that will overclock higher, and maybee throw em a few more dollars.

Guess what, thats what I did douche bag!

Thanks alot for being concerned about the welfare of my awesome kickass wedge-wishes-he-can-have CPU, but I think its misplaced. You really should be more concerned with getting laied because it will really help with your frustration problem.