LCD vs Plasma vs DLP and other HT goodness

ItsNoot · 01-30-09, 10:23 PM

Last time I checked...

LCD was notorious for ghosting.

Plasma was notorious for short life.

DLP was notorious for a small viewing angle.

Has much changed?

Mole · 01-30-09, 10:28 PM

They have all improved... They've also come down in price considerably. It all depends on what you are gonna use it for. I'd go with DLP or Plasma, if you're gonna be watching digital cable/blu-ray/DVD and playing videogames.

Hydra · 01-30-09, 10:31 PM

I'd go with LCD. Plasma uses up way too much power.

Mole · 01-30-09, 10:34 PM

What ever happened to SED?

opus512 · 01-30-09, 10:51 PM

Driver dude that stays at the hotel I work at told me he just bought a 52" Sharp LCD TV for $1,300. Don't care about ghosting for that price, heh.

Major, major, major deals going on right now.

ItsNoot · 01-30-09, 10:56 PM

I'm looking at 50" Panasonics. I think Plasma would make me happiest, plenty of power available. We dont use the tube for hours on end anyway.

How bout speakers fellas. I need some decent satellite speakers that I can ceiling mount. I'd love to find a voice matched 5.1 set. I remember liking Polk for the price once, but I think theirs are wall mount only :/

Babel-17 · 01-30-09, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mole

What ever happened to SED?

Supposedly OLED is awesome. I read a review about some small and insanely expensive ones Sony had just put out, more as a proof of concept I think, and the reviewer was gushing.

Merely very expensive is LED. Sony has it on their latest line, the XBR8.

Quote:

TRILUMINOS® RGB LED backlight technology aligns individual clusters of red, green, and blue LEDs to produce a significantly higher purity of primary colors than single white LED backlights, resulting in more accurate color reproduction. This clustered arrangement also allows the XBR®8 to adjust the brightness of the backlight in units of small blocks, so it can display deep blacks in one portion of the screen and bright whites in another, producing images with enhanced depth, three-dimensionality and exceptionally accurate shadow detail. And, because it uses LEDs rather than the fluorescent tubes found in many HDTVs, the TRILUMINOS® RGB Dynamic LED backlight also promises exceptionally long life.

Edit: I knew my info was old .... I followed a link from the wikipedia page you posted, googled within that and .....

http://www.oled-display.net/sony-lau...avia-in-the-uk

Mole · 01-30-09, 11:24 PM

lol i should have read that article more thoroughly....

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In December 2006, Toshiba President and Chief Executive Atsutoshi Nishida said Toshiba was on track to mass-produce SED TV sets in cooperation with Canon by 2008. He said the company planned to start small-output production in the fall of 2007,[2] but they do not expect SED displays to become a commodity and will not release the technology to the consumer market because of its expected high price, reserving it solely for professional broadcasting applications.

Wow I guess it really does work, if it can't even be released for the consumer-level.

Yeah, I've heard of those LED LCD TV's, I want one.

sj_hurst · 01-31-09, 12:00 AM

LCD.. but research them and look at reviews before buying. Some models are terrible quality, others are great.

Babel-17 · 01-31-09, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mole

lol i should have read that article more thoroughly....

Wow I guess it really does work, if it can't even be released for the consumer-level.

Yeah, I've heard of those LED LCD TV's, I want one.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1071392

Sony has made brutal price cuts on their other lines to move product. I expect them to eventually follow suit on this line. And maybe sooner rather than later.

I have the 32 XBR6 so I hope to be good for a few years. 32" is about as large as I'll go for my needs. My XBR6 is both my monitor and TV.

Babel-17 · 01-31-09, 02:42 AM

And now the XBR9 is out, lol.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5124175/sony-br...ies-goes-120hz

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539863

So Sony is moving back to WCG-CCFL technology?

WCG-CCFL (Wide Color Gamut - CCFL) Backlight Technology

http://www.presentationtek.com/2008/...ht-technology/

They had that as an uber feature on the XBR5. The XBR9 will get a new Bravia processing engine. Maybe between that and tricking out the older technology they can produce something that's both more cost effective and which produces a better picture.

Hopefully no quality compromises are being made. I know Sony has become intent on slugging it out with even their second tier competitors over prices so maybe they fear they will lose the high end if they can't maintain parity with their prices when it comes down to flagship model vs. flagship model.

Lol, it only concerns me in so far as this technology eventually gets trickled down, somewhat, to models I can afford. It will be interesting to see if the rich geeks thumb their noses at the XBR9.

Man, Sony is rolling them out. I bought one of the first 32" XBR6's to hit a store shelf on Long Island and that was less than a year ago. (May of '08)

Maybe Sony won't slash prices on the 8's. The 6's 7's and (later) the 9's could be where the deals are to be had.

The larger 6's have dropped a ton in price.

Babel-17 · 01-31-09, 02:53 AM

Ok, maybe Sony has tweaked an older (but very good to start with) technology.

Quote:

WCG-CCFL ((Wide Color Gamut - CCFL) backlight provide a wider color gamut resulting in on-screen images with more natural or “life-like” colors. As can been seen from the expansion of the normal CCFL coverage above, WCG-CCFL backlights such as from Samsung above achieve up to 97% of the NTSC video signal color gamut compared to a typical 75% of NTSC. The new generation luminescent materials in WCG-CCFL backlights produce deeper, more accurate reds and greens.

Genoa Color Technologies have announced a CCFL backlight capable of achieving an even greater 110% NTSC. Possibly this innovation incorporated into LCD displays soon for even more realistic color images.

http://www.presentationtek.com/2008/...ht-technology/

opus512 · 01-31-09, 05:35 AM

Pick up this Sharp 52" LCD and you can get 10% off some Bose speakers but they're probably 2.1 with their funky surround shit.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218010851328

Man, BB also got a 40" 1080p for $800. If I had room on my credit card I'd get one, and I don't even need one shit's just so damn cheap right now. It won't stay cheap, not this cheap anyway, for long either.

Babel-17 · 01-31-09, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by opus512

Pick up this Sharp 52" LCD and you can get 10% off some Bose speakers but they're probably 2.1 with their funky surround shit.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218010851328

Man, BB also got a 40" 1080p for $800. If I had room on my credit card I'd get one, and I don't even need one shit's just so damn cheap right now. It won't stay cheap, not this cheap anyway, for long either.

I think it will opus. Inventory is backed up everywhere. And this goes beyond short term concerns.

What will become of this world if we consumers ever jump off the treadmill long enough to break the habit?

And right now it's only the allure of $BARGAINS!!!$ that gets us to shop for non-essential durable goods.

Ok, I kid, but not to an extreme degree. I agree that this can't keep up forever and that manufacturers and retailers are aching to raise prices. I'm scared that now that interest rates are near rock bottom they'll try to increase the time that payments get deferred. Makes the balance sheet look rosier but the danger is obvious.

I see Hyundai is trying out something along the lines of "buy our car and we'll take it back if you lose your job".

But you know, there's an opportunity here to see production costs get lowered as a result of new innovations becoming a life or death matter. Sure, there's going to be a downside to that mentality but the good innovations will live on. There really isn't much inherent limit to how low the cost of a couple of pounds of plastic and such can go.

Yeah, trying to look at the bright side is mandatory these days. Been trying to stay curled up in my happy place.

opus512 · 01-31-09, 06:24 AM

Manufacturers won't keep making more products though if they aren't moving the inventory they have. Best way to raise prices on something is make less of it. I don't see prices going up much, but I don't see them staying as low as they are once existing inventory is gone.

Chunk_Le_Funk · 01-31-09, 09:59 AM

We have an LCD and it's great. However I know that the picture is much richer on a Plasma. The guy at Sears pretty much talked us out of it. He was trying to sell us a protection plan and said that Plasmas needed maintenance. So we just went with the LCD instead. His loss because we were almost sold on the 42" Plasma set. I say just go with what you feel comfortable spending.

davesmeg · 01-31-09, 11:15 AM

CRT works just fine for me. :/

Cop · 01-31-09, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by davesmeg

CRT works just fine for me. :/

WORD™

I hate the black (grey?) of LCD and can't go big enough for plasma, which has perfect black, but only comes in huge sizes...

Unless this CRT dies on me, I'm waiting for the next thing (which I'm hoping OLED is going to become) because I'm not satisfied enough by the current tech. And since I don't really need it (nothing HD in this house as of yet), I can afford to wait. No LCD is going to beat this 100Hz CRT...

sj_hurst · 01-31-09, 03:34 PM

Recently, the contrast and black levels have greatly improved on some of the larger LCD's. But still suck on the smaller LCD's, so what you're saying is completely true.

Regarding strictly larger displays tho. LCD's are currently the better value imo. LCD's usually have brighter screens, consume less power, the quality difference is not that huge (newer LCD's vs. Plasma, unless you're talking the super-expensive Pioneer plasma's), and prices are lower. LCD is the best bang for the buck, imo.

Hydra · 01-31-09, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cop

WORD™

I hate the black (grey?) of LCD and can't go big enough for plasma, which has perfect black, but only comes in huge sizes...

Unless this CRT dies on me, I'm waiting for the next thing (which I'm hoping OLED is going to become) because I'm not satisfied enough by the current tech. And since I don't really need it (nothing HD in this house as of yet), I can afford to wait. No LCD is going to beat this 100Hz CRT...

I don't get this "black isn't black" thing on LCDs. If it's not black, you're probably looking at a TV with the "Vivid" or equivalent colour setting on (Which is what they always seem to be set on in shops), which makes everything ultra-bright and look like ass (e.g blacks don't look black). Stick it on Standard Picture Mode and it looks good.

01-30-09, 10:23 PM	#1
ItsNoot Simplified Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 22,257	LCD vs Plasma vs DLP and other HT goodness Last time I checked... LCD was notorious for ghosting. Plasma was notorious for short life. DLP was notorious for a small viewing angle. Has much changed?

01-30-09, 10:28 PM	#2
Mole Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TX. Posts: 32,166	They have all improved... They've also come down in price considerably. It all depends on what you are gonna use it for. I'd go with DLP or Plasma, if you're gonna be watching digital cable/blu-ray/DVD and playing videogames. __________________ "Could you patent the sun?"

01-30-09, 10:31 PM	#3
Hydra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: In your tears Posts: 28,453	I'd go with LCD. Plasma uses up way too much power. __________________ I figured that since you honed in on one sentence out of an entire post to try and get on a soapbox was instead lack vocabulary of the language and inability to understand the post. - Sharkfood Mail her a dead (preferably mutilated) woodchuck with a note "Unlike this woodchuck, my love for you will never die". - GrimFaceOfReality

01-30-09, 10:34 PM	#4
Mole Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TX. Posts: 32,166	What ever happened to SED? __________________ "Could you patent the sun?"

01-30-09, 10:51 PM	#5
opus512 Subscriber Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cherry Capitol of the World, Bitch! Posts: 66,028	Driver dude that stays at the hotel I work at told me he just bought a 52" Sharp LCD TV for $1,300. Don't care about ghosting for that price, heh. Major, major, major deals going on right now. __________________ We're all Nero, and we're all playing cheap Chinese plastic fiddles. When the Rebels become the Tyrants, Revolution takes on a New Meaning. Life is marketing, and all marketing is targeted. "We must always take heed that we buy no more from strangers than we sell them, for so should we impoverish ourselves and enrich them." --- Sir. Thomas Smith, England, 1549.

01-30-09, 10:56 PM	#6
ItsNoot Simplified Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 22,257	I'm looking at 50" Panasonics. I think Plasma would make me happiest, plenty of power available. We dont use the tube for hours on end anyway. How bout speakers fellas. I need some decent satellite speakers that I can ceiling mount. I'd love to find a voice matched 5.1 set. I remember liking Polk for the price once, but I think theirs are wall mount only :/

01-31-09, 12:00 AM	#9
sj_hurst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,634	LCD.. but research them and look at reviews before buying. Some models are terrible quality, others are great.

01-31-09, 02:42 AM	#11
Babel-17 "Say what?" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: New York, USA Posts: 14,467	And now the XBR9 is out, lol. http://i.gizmodo.com/5124175/sony-br...ies-goes-120hz http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539863 So Sony is moving back to WCG-CCFL technology? WCG-CCFL (Wide Color Gamut - CCFL) Backlight Technology http://www.presentationtek.com/2008/...ht-technology/ They had that as an uber feature on the XBR5. The XBR9 will get a new Bravia processing engine. Maybe between that and tricking out the older technology they can produce something that's both more cost effective and which produces a better picture. Hopefully no quality compromises are being made. I know Sony has become intent on slugging it out with even their second tier competitors over prices so maybe they fear they will lose the high end if they can't maintain parity with their prices when it comes down to flagship model vs. flagship model. Lol, it only concerns me in so far as this technology eventually gets trickled down, somewhat, to models I can afford. It will be interesting to see if the rich geeks thumb their noses at the XBR9. Man, Sony is rolling them out. I bought one of the first 32" XBR6's to hit a store shelf on Long Island and that was less than a year ago. (May of '08) Maybe Sony won't slash prices on the 8's. The 6's 7's and (later) the 9's could be where the deals are to be had. The larger 6's have dropped a ton in price. __________________ “No matter how imperfect things are, if you’ve got a free press, everything is correctable. Without it, everything is concealable.” "It's not the voting that's democracy, it's the counting." Tom Stoppard

01-31-09, 05:35 AM	#13
opus512 Subscriber Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cherry Capitol of the World, Bitch! Posts: 66,028	Pick up this Sharp 52" LCD and you can get 10% off some Bose speakers but they're probably 2.1 with their funky surround shit. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218010851328 Man, BB also got a 40" 1080p for $800. If I had room on my credit card I'd get one, and I don't even need one shit's just so damn cheap right now. It won't stay cheap, not this cheap anyway, for long either. __________________ We're all Nero, and we're all playing cheap Chinese plastic fiddles. When the Rebels become the Tyrants, Revolution takes on a New Meaning. Life is marketing, and all marketing is targeted. "We must always take heed that we buy no more from strangers than we sell them, for so should we impoverish ourselves and enrich them." --- Sir. Thomas Smith, England, 1549.

01-31-09, 06:24 AM	#15
opus512 Subscriber Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cherry Capitol of the World, Bitch! Posts: 66,028	Manufacturers won't keep making more products though if they aren't moving the inventory they have. Best way to raise prices on something is make less of it. I don't see prices going up much, but I don't see them staying as low as they are once existing inventory is gone. __________________ We're all Nero, and we're all playing cheap Chinese plastic fiddles. When the Rebels become the Tyrants, Revolution takes on a New Meaning. Life is marketing, and all marketing is targeted. "We must always take heed that we buy no more from strangers than we sell them, for so should we impoverish ourselves and enrich them." --- Sir. Thomas Smith, England, 1549.

01-31-09, 09:59 AM	#16
Chunk_Le_Funk El centauro del norte Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The south shall rise again! Posts: 3,212 Blog Entries: 3	We have an LCD and it's great. However I know that the picture is much richer on a Plasma. The guy at Sears pretty much talked us out of it. He was trying to sell us a protection plan and said that Plasmas needed maintenance. So we just went with the LCD instead. His loss because we were almost sold on the 42" Plasma set. I say just go with what you feel comfortable spending. __________________ Blog this!: http://chunklefunk.blogspot.com/ www.boardpusher.com/EAC_Skateboards In life you only need 6 friends. That being the number of people to carry your casket.

01-31-09, 11:15 AM	#17
davesmeg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sat here. Posts: 4,451	CRT works just fine for me. :/ __________________ Living by the sea with my beautiful fiancée.

01-31-09, 03:34 PM	#19
sj_hurst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,634	Recently, the contrast and black levels have greatly improved on some of the larger LCD's. But still suck on the smaller LCD's, so what you're saying is completely true. Regarding strictly larger displays tho. LCD's are currently the better value imo. LCD's usually have brighter screens, consume less power, the quality difference is not that huge (newer LCD's vs. Plasma, unless you're talking the super-expensive Pioneer plasma's), and prices are lower. LCD is the best bang for the buck, imo.