A little background on the three poloticians that went to Iraq

opus512 · 10-09-02, 11:10 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...ems/index.html

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WASHINGTON (Creators Syndicate) -- Thanks to his federal government, Mike Thompson of St. Helena, in the Napa Valley of California, traveled overseas as a young man. The year was 1970, and 18-year-old Mike Thompson was in Southeast Asia, a paratrooper with the 173rd Army Airborne.

It was there in combat where he earned the Purple Heart for the permanent wounds he suffered.

He left the Army as a staff sergeant in 1973, went home, worked in the wine business, earned bachelor's and master's degrees and in 1990 became the first Vietnam vet elected to the California legislature. In 1998, he was elected to the Congress. I failed to mention that Mike Thomson is, according to the 2 million messages sent by the Republican National Committee quoting President George W Bush, one of those miscreants "not interested in the security of the American people" -- a Democrat!

In 1970, David Bonior of East Detroit, Michigan, the grandson of Polish and Ukrainian immigrants, the son of an auto worker, who had left the Catholic seminary to accept a football scholarship to the University of Iowa, was halfway through his own four-year hitch in the U.S. Air Force.

In 1976, after four years in the Michigan legislature, Bonior was elected to the Congress, where in 1991, he won a leadership race to become Democratic whip. Obviously, as the discerning reader can see, he, too, is someone "not interested in the security of the American people."

Thompson and Bonior, men who had answered their nation's call for the U.S. war against Vietnam, last week traveled along with their House colleague Dr. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, (who, coincidentally, in 1970 was an active duty U.S. Navy officer and psychiatrist treating Vietnam casualties) to Baghdad to try to avoid an all-but-inevitable U.S. war against Iraq.

What a travesty. Among the three lawmakers, during the nation's longest and most divisive foreign war, was 10 years of honorable military service—and their efforts at peace-making are attacked and condemned by little men whose own counterfeit patriotism led them to exploit college and graduate-school deferments until their own exposure to the draft ended at age 26. Was Jim McDermott's questioning in Iraq of President Bush's candor imprudent? Probably. Is Jim McDermott unpatriotic? Absolutely not.

EG · 10-09-02, 11:27 PM

ummm... Bonior never left the states he was a cook in the Air Force

the patients were as close as McDermott ever got to Vietnam.

I didnt see Thompson hogging the camera like the other two....
nor did he criticize the President on TV.

EG · 10-09-02, 11:34 PM

Bonior, who was in the Air Force during the Vietnam War, never left California, where he was stationed. His own Web site admits he was a cook "slinging hash by day" and going to college at night.

As for McDermott, he never left California either. He was a Navy psychiatrist in Long Beach who treated actual Vietnam vets when they got home," Hume reported Thursday night. Oh, those lucky patients.

real genuine Vietnam Veterans There........

nextbillgates · 10-09-02, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
Bonior, who was in the Air Force during the Vietnam War, never left California, where he was stationed. His own Web site admits he was a cook "slinging hash by day" and going to college at night.

As for McDermott, he never left California either. He was a Navy psychiatrist in Long Beach who treated actual Vietnam vets when they got home," Hume reported Thursday night. Oh, those lucky patients.

real genuine Vietnam Veterans There........

Still far more than the Bush and Co. warmongers did

opus512 · 10-09-02, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by EGhadsGhost
Bonior, who was in the Air Force during the Vietnam War, never left California, where he was stationed. His own Web site admits he was a cook "slinging hash by day" and going to college at night.

As for McDermott, he never left California either. He was a Navy psychiatrist in Long Beach who treated actual Vietnam vets when they got home," Hume reported Thursday night. Oh, those lucky patients.

real genuine Vietnam Veterans There........

Did't say they were 'vet's', but at least they serverd. Where the hell was Jr during Vietnam? Oh yeah, enjoying a nice cushy stint in the National Gaurd, campaigning for his Daddy's buddies. Real power Vet there, too, eh?

So was everyone that served during Vietnam but didn't go over sea's slackers? Did they pull some strings to stay state side, or were they just lucky?

ukstatboy · 10-09-02, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by nextbillgates

Still far more than the Bush and Co. warmongers did

http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html

msan_msw · 10-09-02, 11:45 PM

I watched an interview with McDermott the other night. It was pretty interesting because he keeps a file of all the letters that were critical of his stand in this and his actions in Iraq. He pretty much went line by line over the negative responses people were sending (btw, 70% in his district supported him).

Republicans just need a scapegoat to mentally masturbate themselves around. It's some kind of perverse ritual they enjoy. They'll link him with Hanoi Jane and the like but as far as I can recall McDermott didn't go over there during the war while Jane did, McDermott did it to protect soldiers from being forced into a war by a president who is deliberately misleading the people and trying to start a war based on personal vendetta, suspect agenda, and putting the history and reputation of our country at risk. McDermott is more "pro-soldier" than Bush has ever been or will ever be.

EG · 10-09-02, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by nextbillgates

Still far more than the Bush and Co. warmongers did

Mr. Rumsfeld attended Princeton University on scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator.

Powell served two tours of duty in Vietnam

As Secretary of Defense from March 1989 to January 1993, Mr. Cheney directed two of the largest military campaigns in recent history - Operation Just Cause in Panama and Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East.

EG · 10-09-02, 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by msan_msw
I watched an interview with McDermott the other night. It was pretty interesting because he keeps a file of all the letters that were critical of his stand in this and his actions in Iraq. He pretty much went line by line over the negative responses people were sending (btw, 70% in his district supported him).

Republicans just need a scapegoat to mentally masturbate themselves around. It's some kind of perverse ritual they enjoy. They'll link him with Hanoi Jane and the like but as far as I can recall McDermott didn't go over there during the war while Jane did, McDermott did it to protect soldiers from being forced into a war by a president who is deliberately misleading the people and trying to start a war based on personal vendetta, suspect agenda, and putting the history and reputation of our country at risk. McDermott is more "pro-soldier" than Bush has ever been or will ever be.

a matter of opinion...

well I hope his distict would be in favor of him....we wouldnt be talking about him right now if they didnt.

opus512 · 10-09-02, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by ukstatboy

http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html

Nice link, worth a bookmark

msan_msw · 10-09-02, 11:53 PM

Yeah, here's a picture of our good comrade Rummy not only going to Iraq but shaking Saddam's hand. What if he's al-Qaida? What if he's got some sinister plan ahead? I think we need to take care of the "Rummy situation" before something bad happens down the road and you have your proof in that un-doctored picture below....

nextbillgates · 10-10-02, 12:00 AM

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Mr. Rumsfeld attended Princeton University on scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator.

Not sure about Rummy's background, so I'll give you that.

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Powell served two tours of duty in Vietnam

Powell isn't a warmonger

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As Secretary of Defense from March 1989 to January 1993, Mr. Cheney directed two of the largest military campaigns in recent history - Operation Just Cause in Panama and Operation Desert Storm in the Middle East.

Cheney also dodged the draft.

EG · 10-10-02, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by ukstatboy

http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html

LOL

I hate to tell you guys this but most of those are standard military documents and correspondence. One of my jobs is working with military personnel records..lol

If that is what they are using they have a smoking pile of crap....

wish I had a $1.00 for everybody that missed a physical exam..lol

I looked at his attendance record for 1973... looked like he made about 30 + drills for the year. Guard and Reserve are only authorized 48 drills for a year....

Plus he served 21 months on Active Duty.....

EG · 10-10-02, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by msan_msw
Yeah, here's a picture of our good comrade Rummy not only going to Iraq but shaking Saddam's hand. What if he's al-Qaida? What if he's got some sinister plan ahead? I think we need to take care of the "Rummy situation" before something bad happens down the road and you have your proof in that un-doctored picture below....

LOL... Betcha Mcdermott and Bonior have one like that too

opus512 · 10-10-02, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by EGhadsGhost

I looked at his attendance record for 1973... looked like he made about 30 + drills for the year. Guard and Reserve are only authorized 48 drills for a year....

Where did you find these attendance records that prove he attended 30+ drills for 1973?

EG · 10-10-02, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by opus512

Where did you find these attendance records that prove he attended 30+ drills for 1973?

its right there in the list

it has duty dates with the type of duty and the points awarded.. you only get points if you do duty..lol

Thanks for proving my theory

If you dont know what you are looking at anybody can scan a document and make a big deal over it like its an important piece of evidence...LOL

opus512 · 10-10-02, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by EGhadsGhost

its right there in the list

it has duty dates with the type of duty and the points awarded.. you only get points if you do duty..lol

Thanks for proving my theory

If you dont know what you are looking at anybody can scan a document and make a big deal over it like its an important piece of evidence...LOL

Post the link to the specific document, please, as I understood it, only his personal records showed what 'points' he was awarded.

Or are thse one of the ripped up documents that only show a 'W' on them where they are signed?

ukstatboy · 10-10-02, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by opus512

Post the link to the specific document, please, as I understood it, only his personal records showed what 'points' he was awarded.

Or are thse one of the ripped up documents that only show a 'W' on them where they are signed?

There's this

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Some records show Bush attended some drills in mid-1973, but his official discharge papers that summarize his truncated service in the Guard do not credit Bush with any drills after April 1972 - 18 months before his discharge.

from here
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/
Republican_ticket_lets_a_military_connection_slip+ .shtml

Could just be bad bookkeeping.

EG · 10-10-02, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by opus512

Post the link to the specific document, please, as I understood it, only his personal records showed what 'points' he was awarded.

Or are thse one of the ripped up documents that only show a 'W' on them where they are signed?

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc16.gif

opus512 · 10-10-02, 12:36 AM

Hm, first link I get a dead page, bad link.

Second one shows, from what I see, ten instances of points earned.

What's the significance in number of points, as some are 1, some are 8, some are 4, etc.?

10-09-02, 11:27 PM	#2
EG Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Corner of Kiss My Butt Ave and No Friggin Way Ln Posts: 46,075 Blog Entries: 10	ummm... Bonior never left the states he was a cook in the Air Force the patients were as close as McDermott ever got to Vietnam. I didnt see Thompson hogging the camera like the other two.... nor did he criticize the President on TV. __________________ The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. I believe in rules. Sure I do. If there weren't any rules, how could you break them The family that shoots together has interlocking fields of fire

10-09-02, 11:34 PM	#3
EG Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Corner of Kiss My Butt Ave and No Friggin Way Ln Posts: 46,075 Blog Entries: 10	Bonior, who was in the Air Force during the Vietnam War, never left California, where he was stationed. His own Web site admits he was a cook "slinging hash by day" and going to college at night. As for McDermott, he never left California either. He was a Navy psychiatrist in Long Beach who treated actual Vietnam vets when they got home," Hume reported Thursday night. Oh, those lucky patients. real genuine Vietnam Veterans There........ __________________ The more people I meet, the more I like my dog. Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. I believe in rules. Sure I do. If there weren't any rules, how could you break them The family that shoots together has interlocking fields of fire

10-09-02, 11:45 PM	#7
msan_msw Bearly Human Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 46.75º N 114.1º W Slacktana Posts: 28,425	I watched an interview with McDermott the other night. It was pretty interesting because he keeps a file of all the letters that were critical of his stand in this and his actions in Iraq. He pretty much went line by line over the negative responses people were sending (btw, 70% in his district supported him). Republicans just need a scapegoat to mentally masturbate themselves around. It's some kind of perverse ritual they enjoy. They'll link him with Hanoi Jane and the like but as far as I can recall McDermott didn't go over there during the war while Jane did, McDermott did it to protect soldiers from being forced into a war by a president who is deliberately misleading the people and trying to start a war based on personal vendetta, suspect agenda, and putting the history and reputation of our country at risk. McDermott is more "pro-soldier" than Bush has ever been or will ever be. __________________ "You can no longer remember a time when it was not so. Soon you won't remember not remembering." "I will not disappoint Slackercentral. I will complete each slacking with total concentration. And I will gain honor for slackers and for the Slackercentral nation." Apoch: "2 divided by 3 is .666!" Greatergatsby (calculator): "hmm...that's strange...the mark of the beast has just been rounded up to 667."

10-09-02, 11:53 PM	#11
msan_msw Bearly Human Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: 46.75º N 114.1º W Slacktana Posts: 28,425	Yeah, here's a picture of our good comrade Rummy not only going to Iraq but shaking Saddam's hand. What if he's al-Qaida? What if he's got some sinister plan ahead? I think we need to take care of the "Rummy situation" before something bad happens down the road and you have your proof in that un-doctored picture below.... __________________ "You can no longer remember a time when it was not so. Soon you won't remember not remembering." "I will not disappoint Slackercentral. I will complete each slacking with total concentration. And I will gain honor for slackers and for the Slackercentral nation." Apoch: "2 divided by 3 is .666!" Greatergatsby (calculator): "hmm...that's strange...the mark of the beast has just been rounded up to 667."

10-10-02, 12:36 AM	#20
opus512 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cherry Capitol of the World, Bitch! Posts: 71,453	Hm, first link I get a dead page, bad link. Second one shows, from what I see, ten instances of points earned. What's the significance in number of points, as some are 1, some are 8, some are 4, etc.? __________________ We're all Nero, and we're all playing cheap plastic Chinese fiddles. When the Rebels become the Tyrants, Revolution takes on a New Meaning. The only truth that I fear is the dominance of opinion over thought, of partisan ideology over compromise, of emotional self righteous morality over intellectual reasoning. "We must always take heed that we buy no more from strangers than we sell them, for so should we impoverish ourselves and enrich them." --- Sir. Thomas Smith, England, 1549.