Nv30 delayed until 2003---

babystinky · 10-25-02, 12:39 PM

Well I am hearing "not untill spring"

Anyone else hearing anything???

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories...895705,00.html

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GeForce5 delayed

Graphics chip leader Nvidia is still expected to unveil the fastest PC graphics processor at the Comdex trade show next month, but cards won't be readily available until 2003.

Nvidia was expected to have its NV30 processor, to be sold as the GeForce5, on the market by now. But problems stemming from shifting to a new chipmaking process have bumped back the chip by several months. Analysts now expect Nvidia to have a handful of new chips on the market by Christmas, but volume shipments won't begin until early next year.
Rival ATI Technologies, meanwhile, has been courting PC hot-rodders for several months with its Radeon 9700 processor and has just announced the less expensive Radeon 9500 family of cards. By the time the new Nvidia chip is widely available, many people will likely have already made the switch to ATI, analysts say.

"Basically, they missed the cycle," Hans Mosesmann, a Prudential Securities analyst, said of Nvidia. "Really [the NV30] is a fall product that's now been pushed out, for all intents and purposes, to the spring."

By David Becker, News.com [POSTED: 10/24/02 - 02:07 pm pdt]

opus512 · 10-25-02, 12:43 PM

Ouchies, miss the Christmas season.

Got no sympathy for them to find out how it feels to miss a shipping fate though, heh.

Ah well, hopefully it will be good when it does come out then.

Gives ATI that much more time to imptove their drivers though, heh.

babystinky · 10-25-02, 12:48 PM

Missing product cycles..

Sounds to me like a little "Voodoo" at work

Blighter · 10-25-02, 01:14 PM

Yeh, missing a cycle was what started the fall of 3dfx. I hope it starts the fall for nvidia as well.

EvilEngine · 10-25-02, 01:21 PM

Does coming out late DEC- early Jan really THAT bad to you guys?
It doesnt bother me one bit, as long as the card has no hardware bugs and runs everything well. The way everyone is knocking the January release is like it wont be out for 10 yrs or something.
So its late, who cares. At least it will be out.

John Reynolds · 10-25-02, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Blighter
Yeh, missing a cycle was what started the fall of 3dfx. I hope it starts the fall for nvidia as well.

Why? You want a graphics market with only one major player? I certainly don't.

Kermit · 10-25-02, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by EvilEngine
Does coming out late DEC- early Jan really THAT bad to you guys?
It doesnt bother me one bit, as long as the card has no hardware bugs and runs everything well. The way everyone is knocking the January release is like it wont be out for 10 yrs or something.
So its late, who cares. At least it will be out.

I don't think that's the point.

I think the point is Nvidia is missing a HUGE time of year. Christmas would be a great time for kids to ask for that new videocard. Well... looks like they will be asking for ATI this year.

Once that switch is made... Nvidia lost those customers until at least the next product. AND... chances are, if the person ends up liking the ATI card, they may never go back.

The point is... Nvidia has the potential to lose a lot of customers here.

Now, I don't necessarily want to see Nvidia go under... like a lot of people would. I am actually kinda dissapointed in this. As much as I hate Nvidia, I like competition. The reason why the 9700 ownz so much is cause ATI had to outdo Nvidia. When it was just Nvidia... for about that 6 months to a year after 3dfx went under... all we got was delayed shit, and it was WAY overpriced.

Competition is great for us!

And... well... nvidia is going to eat it hard on this one. They will most likely end up not making a TON of money on this product cycle.

scottg26 · 10-25-02, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Blighter
Yeh, missing a cycle was what started the fall of 3dfx. I hope it starts the fall for nvidia as well.

well aint that like Sandoval calling the Taelons bad....

Wedge · 10-25-02, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by Blighter
Yeh, missing a cycle was what started the fall of 3dfx. I hope it starts the fall for nvidia as well.

Never, if nVidia never put the pressure on ATi with the Geforce 4 then we wouldn't have seen the 9700 Pro in its current state, that and I like the fact that while the 9700 Pro started out at $400 it was found online not two weeks after its launch for $320. The sooner the NV30 is on the market the sooner I can get my hands on a DDR-II based 9700 Pro.

Blighter · 10-25-02, 03:00 PM

But but but... nVidia KILLED DE 3dFX J00!!!!!!!!

IT MUST DIEE!!1111111111

Blighter · 10-25-02, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by EvilEngine
Does coming out late DEC- early Jan really THAT bad to you guys?
It doesnt bother me one bit, as long as the card has no hardware bugs and runs everything well. The way everyone is knocking the January release is like it wont be out for 10 yrs or something.
So its late, who cares. At least it will be out.

Yea well, missing out a product cycles is bad thing, whether it comes out late or not. That's exactly what happened with v5. They got it out late and nvidia released gf2 that outperformed it. Same could happen now if ATI get's r350 or whatever revised version of r300 out right after nv30. Ati has no pressure now that it's the fastest around and concentrate on a nv30 killer while nvidia is concentrating on a r300 killer.

babystinky · 10-25-02, 03:17 PM

ATI may experience its own delay when they go to the process that Nvidia is doing with their chip. Who knows? ATI is wathching carefully to see just how Nvidia is running into the probs.

Right now it is better that both companies survive, yet I feel good to see someone else with the speed crown other then Nvidia.

EvilEngine · 10-25-02, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by Blighter

Yea well, missing out a product cycles is bad thing, whether it comes out late or not. That's exactly what happened with v5. They got it out late and nvidia released gf2 that outperformed it. Same could happen now if ATI get's r350 or whatever revised version of r300 out right after nv30. Ati has no pressure now that it's the fastest around and concentrate on a nv30 killer while nvidia is concentrating on a r300 killer.

V5 came out late and how many people bought it and still live by it?
I don't think a "missed" product cycle will hurt a company like Nvidia. How much money in the bank did 3DFX have after the Voodoo5 was released late? NV has the funds to get through this, as long as the .13 proccess is near flawless, they can expand on this die throughout the next year with new products that will be back on schedule. Why everyone is getting thier panties in a bunch makes no sense at all to me.

Blighter · 10-25-02, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by EvilEngine
Why everyone is getting thier panties in a bunch makes no sense at all to me.

Because it's fun.

Coop 1.04 · 10-25-02, 04:19 PM

First of all comparing 3dfx to Nvidia is incorrect. 3dfx was late for an entire YEAR. Not a couple of months. Second most people who buy high end cards buy them in early spring, so the delay isn't crippling. Finally unless the r350 has an extra texture engine per pipeline or is capable of dual chip operation, It can't be that much better than the NV30.

Blighter · 10-25-02, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by Coop 1.04
Second most people who buy high end cards buy them in early spring, so the delay isn't crippling.

What about the first most people?

(jk)
How do you know that? I'd say most people buy high end cards in the fall/xmas.

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Finally unless the r350 has an extra texture engine per pipeline or is capable of dual chip operation, It can't be that much better than the NV30. [/b]

So you'd think

opus512 · 10-25-02, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by John Reynolds

Why? You want a graphics market with only one major player? I certainly don't.

I don't think it would stay single player for long, though, it sure didn't after 3dfx went under. Everyone thought nVidia was going to own the market, especialy after buying the 3dfx tech, and look what ATI did all on their own?

Ailuros · 10-25-02, 04:37 PM

Ahhhhh another ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS

a) Missing a product cycle is relative; if you mean that they´ve missed their 6 month refresh product cycle yes. In any other case it´s still one real generation per year.

b) V5 5500 was delayed 9 months the way I recall it. If it doesn´t make you feel any better early last year´s roadmap had NV30 somewhere around spring 2002. How bad are you guys maths.

c) If you need an upgrade and want an absolute high end card NOW, go out and fetch yourself a Radeon9700. You need more? You are freakier than I thought.

j/k

d) NVIDIA isn´t going anywhere. Worst case scenarion the market gets restructured and the recent 60-40% balance in favour of NV, will slowly switch to a 50-50 or even 40-60% balance. What it´s to you anyway? Good news is that you´ll have more frequent and even better price/performance rations as to be found in Ti4200/9500PRO´s getting shot at in an even faster frequency than ever before.

Ailuros Armchair logging out

opus512 · 10-25-02, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by EvilEngine

How much money in the bank did 3DFX have after the Voodoo5 was released late?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but far as I remember they had a shitload of money in the back. Not as much as nVidia has now, but still a lot.

Nah, it's perception more then anything. nVidia missed it's vaunted six month product cycle.

Won't kill them, not even close, 3dfx did much more the kill themselves then just miss a product cycle, but it sure as hell didn't help.

Ailuros · 10-25-02, 04:42 PM

As for the NV30´s architecture/efficiency/performance:

if you don´t have any convicible information on the above, you really should hold back from making any predictions or lucky guestimates.

For the record neither memory clock frequency nor bus width can be a determining factor, in fact extend that to all of the on paper specifications.

10-25-02, 12:43 PM	#2
opus512 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cherry Capitol of the World, Bitch! Posts: 71,507	Ouchies, miss the Christmas season. Got no sympathy for them to find out how it feels to miss a shipping fate though, heh. Ah well, hopefully it will be good when it does come out then. Gives ATI that much more time to imptove their drivers though, heh. __________________ We're all Nero, and we're all playing cheap plastic Chinese fiddles. When the Rebels become the Tyrants, Revolution takes on a New Meaning. The only truth that I fear is the dominance of opinion over thought, of partisan ideology over compromise, of emotional self righteous morality over intellectual reasoning. "We must always take heed that we buy no more from strangers than we sell them, for so should we impoverish ourselves and enrich them." --- Sir. Thomas Smith, England, 1549.

10-25-02, 01:14 PM	#4
Blighter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Finland Posts: 7,605	Yeh, missing a cycle was what started the fall of 3dfx. I hope it starts the fall for nvidia as well. __________________ :)

10-25-02, 03:00 PM	#10
Blighter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Finland Posts: 7,605	But but but... nVidia KILLED DE 3dFX J00!!!!!!!! IT MUST DIEE!!1111111111 __________________ :)

10-25-02, 04:19 PM	#15
Coop 1.04 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Planet MF Posts: 1,601	First of all comparing 3dfx to Nvidia is incorrect. 3dfx was late for an entire YEAR. Not a couple of months. Second most people who buy high end cards buy them in early spring, so the delay isn't crippling. Finally unless the r350 has an extra texture engine per pipeline or is capable of dual chip operation, It can't be that much better than the NV30. __________________ This Space for Rent

10-25-02, 04:37 PM	#18
Ailuros epsilon+3 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 18,848	Ahhhhh another ARMCHAIR ANALYSIS a) Missing a product cycle is relative; if you mean that they´ve missed their 6 month refresh product cycle yes. In any other case it´s still one real generation per year. b) V5 5500 was delayed 9 months the way I recall it. If it doesn´t make you feel any better early last year´s roadmap had NV30 somewhere around spring 2002. How bad are you guys maths. c) If you need an upgrade and want an absolute high end card NOW, go out and fetch yourself a Radeon9700. You need more? You are freakier than I thought. j/k d) NVIDIA isn´t going anywhere. Worst case scenarion the market gets restructured and the recent 60-40% balance in favour of NV, will slowly switch to a 50-50 or even 40-60% balance. What it´s to you anyway? Good news is that you´ll have more frequent and even better price/performance rations as to be found in Ti4200/9500PRO´s getting shot at in an even faster frequency than ever before. Ailuros Armchair logging out __________________ People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs

10-25-02, 12:48 PM	#3
babystinky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: toronto Posts: 3,886	Missing product cycles.. Sounds to me like a little "Voodoo" at work

10-25-02, 01:21 PM	#5
EvilEngine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,703	Does coming out late DEC- early Jan really THAT bad to you guys? It doesnt bother me one bit, as long as the card has no hardware bugs and runs everything well. The way everyone is knocking the January release is like it wont be out for 10 yrs or something. So its late, who cares. At least it will be out.

10-25-02, 03:17 PM	#12
babystinky Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: toronto Posts: 3,886	ATI may experience its own delay when they go to the process that Nvidia is doing with their chip. Who knows? ATI is wathching carefully to see just how Nvidia is running into the probs. Right now it is better that both companies survive, yet I feel good to see someone else with the speed crown other then Nvidia.

10-25-02, 04:42 PM	#20
Ailuros epsilon+3 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 18,848	As for the NV30´s architecture/efficiency/performance: if you don´t have any convicible information on the above, you really should hold back from making any predictions or lucky guestimates. For the record neither memory clock frequency nor bus width can be a determining factor, in fact extend that to all of the on paper specifications. __________________ People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs