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11-28-02, 06:15 PM
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Is the sniper case terrorism?
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Certainly people were 'terrorized' by the snipers, but IMO it was more a serial killing, the money demand was never anything to be taken seriously, I htink it was more to throw the law off the trial. Taken to the extreme, a school bully could be a 'terrorist', as he terrorizes other children in the schoolyard. I think there are more then sufficient laws already in place to more then convict the two of multiple murders, why add on more? Wouldn't it be the same arguement as was made against inacting 'hate crime' legislation?
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11-28-02, 07:21 PM
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put down the crack pipe....
it wasnt an act of terror? shooting school kids? I beg to disagree....... domestic terrorism just like OKC
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11-28-02, 07:35 PM
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The guy was a murderer, not a terrorist.
If he's a terrorist, you guys have been under attack for a very long time. |
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11-28-02, 07:54 PM
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11-28-02, 08:49 PM
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Unless I'm shown otherwise I'm operating under the belief that those dudes had strong pro militant Islamic fundamentalist beliefs ..... compounded with their murderous acts classifying them as terrorists is no big stretch.
Being psychotic or delusional etc. does not free them from that label imo.
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11-28-02, 09:52 PM
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Well, I still think they more fit the pattern of serial killers then terrorists, and I still think there are more then enough applicable laws already on the books to not only convict them but sentance them to death. Instead, they are going to try them under a bunch of new laws, untested in court, and take a chance on screwing the case up. Of course they won't walk, and when they don't, they will bend the law and Constitution so much to fit their desired outcome, it won't be pretty. Why take the chance?
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11-28-02, 10:05 PM
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What difference does it make if they are serial killers or terrorists?
They are directly causing the deaths of innocent citizens. Who gives a crap if they are doing it for the great alah or for the little voices in their head? IMO lables like murderer and terrorist are interchangable. They may differ in motivation but in principle they are the same thing and should be treated as such. Leave the politics out of that shit.... |
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11-28-02, 10:28 PM
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IMO, terrorist implies that the person(s) are trying to make a political statement or further some anti-government cause with their killing. I don't know exactly why these people were killing, they said money but that didn't seem to be the reason from the beginning. Whatever their reasons, I don't think there was anything particularly anti-government about it, so this should be treated as a multiple-murder case.
It probably doesn't matter anyway. They're going to get the death penalty regardless.
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11-28-02, 11:44 PM
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To me, whether they were terrorists or serial killers hinges on their demands for cash. The minutes you start making demands, financial or otherwise, while killing people and terrorizing communities, you are no longer a killer but a terrorist as well.
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11-29-02, 02:54 AM
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When all is said and done. Anyone who puts the frightners into you, is terrorising you. Therefore the term terrorist. I think that is utter bulls**t.
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11-29-02, 04:02 AM
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Besides that, it opens up a whole slew of possible new definitions of 'terrorism' now, same as, for example, everyone using the RICO law for things it was never intended to be used for, muddying the meaning and intent of the law.
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LOL there are how many states wating in line to get these losers?
just send em to Texas....
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what does it really matter whether or not they're terrorists? they're shit heads who think they should just go around killing people they dont even know....WHAT THE CRAP?!
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12-02-02, 10:53 PM
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Not saying it's going to happen, I just don't see the big rush to try them under new laws, except for a behind the scenes push from the Jr administration to get some precedents going on his new rules.
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That said, I agree that Virginia is making things overly complicated. Just try them for murder and be done with it.
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