Some info on DOOM3

EvilEngine · 04-26-01, 11:01 PM

"A game like DooM3 is using more than 20 texture passes right now, wich means the game will be almost unplayable on older GeForces and feature-disabled on 3dfx and/or ATi cards."
http://www.geocities.com/lordflathead/zaldron.html

multigl · 04-26-01, 11:05 PM

yes and im sure the Geforce3 with its 4 textures per pass could get over 5 FPS at 1024x768. what a joke.

Ailuros · 04-26-01, 11:11 PM

well even 8-layer won't save the day if that should be true.

But ain't 20 texture passes a bit too much? Sounds like that even the next generation cards (after the gf3) will choke on that one.

multigl · 04-26-01, 11:12 PM

thats really a joke. with pixel and vertex shaders, you dont 20 texture layers to get good visual results.

Ailuros · 04-26-01, 11:18 PM

that's not the only issue here. The biggest issue seems to be the colour rendering value. It should look ugly with 32bit cards.

And I have no idea if overbright lighting (as in 52bits internal) would be enough, as Carmack's asking for higher colour precisions internally and externally.

Why overpump a game that much?

multigl · 04-26-01, 11:20 PM

yeah adding depth, 52-64, would do a lot to make the game look better, but the bandwith constraints would be so extreme. :o

Ailuros · 04-26-01, 11:24 PM

AFAIK you have minimal performance penalties with internal 52bit, but 64 bits internal and external sounds like even slower than the very first 32bit cards.....

multigl · 04-26-01, 11:26 PM

64bit would require 2x the bandwith of 32bit. think i remember reading bout this on Beyond3D.

scottg26 · 04-26-01, 11:36 PM

what are texture passes?

JF_Aidan_Pryde · 04-26-01, 11:47 PM

That data is bs.
ignore it.

Kermit · 04-26-01, 11:56 PM

Who the freak cares?

Doom 3 is not that impressive anyways. And quite honestly, why are people trying to take a game that is not scheduled to be out for another year, probably realistically will be out in 2 years, and figgure out how it will run on todays technology. That's like comparing 286 technology when it was at it's best to how it would run quake 3. Honestly!

GrimFaceOfReality · 04-27-01, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvilEngine:
"A game like DooM3 is using more than 20 texture passes right now, wich means the game will be almost unplayable on older GeForces and feature-disabled on 3dfx and/or ATi cards."

That is simply BS.

EvilEngine · 04-27-01, 12:16 AM

HEH, just to let you guys know. That isnt my quote , but the guy who made the webpage. Just to clarify that before my rating goes down the toilet for false info. :p :p :p

rhink · 04-27-01, 01:51 AM

Carmack said in a past .plan update that some work he was doing involved 20+ texture layers. That doesn't at all mean Doom3 will use that many textures. The author of that article took speculation, educated guessing, uneducated guessing, and unrelated and irrelevant comments from the past and mixed 'em together. The result is an article that is interesting in some spots, but mostly innaccurate.

04-26-01, 11:01 PM	#1
EvilEngine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,703	Some info on DOOM3 "A game like DooM3 is using more than 20 texture passes right now, wich means the game will be almost unplayable on older GeForces and feature-disabled on 3dfx and/or ATi cards." http://www.geocities.com/lordflathead/zaldron.html

04-26-01, 11:11 PM	#3
Ailuros epsilon+3 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 18,848	well even 8-layer won't save the day if that should be true. But ain't 20 texture passes a bit too much? Sounds like that even the next generation cards (after the gf3) will choke on that one. __________________ People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs

04-26-01, 11:18 PM	#5
Ailuros epsilon+3 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 18,848	that's not the only issue here. The biggest issue seems to be the colour rendering value. It should look ugly with 32bit cards. And I have no idea if overbright lighting (as in 52bits internal) would be enough, as Carmack's asking for higher colour precisions internally and externally. Why overpump a game that much? __________________ People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs

04-26-01, 11:24 PM	#7
Ailuros epsilon+3 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 18,848	AFAIK you have minimal performance penalties with internal 52bit, but 64 bits internal and external sounds like even slower than the very first 32bit cards..... __________________ People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's easier to harass rich ladies than motorcycle gangs

04-26-01, 11:36 PM	#9
scottg26 I am normal Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 56,401 Blog Entries: 1	what are texture passes? __________________ Latest YTMND: Epic Space Battle http://scottg26.com The best site on the web!!! (after slackercentral of course)

04-26-01, 11:05 PM	#2
multigl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,040	yes and im sure the Geforce3 with its 4 textures per pass could get over 5 FPS at 1024x768. what a joke.

04-26-01, 11:12 PM	#4
multigl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,040	thats really a joke. with pixel and vertex shaders, you dont 20 texture layers to get good visual results.

04-26-01, 11:20 PM	#6
multigl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,040	yeah adding depth, 52-64, would do a lot to make the game look better, but the bandwith constraints would be so extreme. :o

04-26-01, 11:26 PM	#8
multigl Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,040	64bit would require 2x the bandwith of 32bit. think i remember reading bout this on Beyond3D.

04-26-01, 11:47 PM	#10
JF_Aidan_Pryde Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 974	That data is bs. ignore it. __________________ Agent : p r y d e

04-26-01, 11:56 PM	#11
Kermit Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Rocklin, CA, USA Posts: 18,250	Who the freak cares? Doom 3 is not that impressive anyways. And quite honestly, why are people trying to take a game that is not scheduled to be out for another year, probably realistically will be out in 2 years, and figgure out how it will run on todays technology. That's like comparing 286 technology when it was at it's best to how it would run quake 3. Honestly! __________________ It's not easy being green SacTown Thugz: Darkadun, Dryass, Kermit, ItsNoot, Chunk_Le_Funk, noTiger, Ron Artest Launch All Zig! For Great Justice!

04-27-01, 12:16 AM	#13
EvilEngine Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,703	HEH, just to let you guys know. That isnt my quote , but the guy who made the webpage. Just to clarify that before my rating goes down the toilet for false info. :p :p :p

04-27-01, 01:51 AM	#14
rhink Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 1,250	Carmack said in a past .plan update that some work he was doing involved 20+ texture layers. That doesn't at all mean Doom3 will use that many textures. The author of that article took speculation, educated guessing, uneducated guessing, and unrelated and irrelevant comments from the past and mixed 'em together. The result is an article that is interesting in some spots, but mostly innaccurate.