[H]ardocp on 5950! (a good read imo)

Blighter · 10-24-03, 11:36 AM

Check it out, it puts things pretty much the way they really are.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM3

However, if you'd like a review that favours nVidia, check Tom's gay ass weinands article on the same card.

ItsNoot · 10-24-03, 11:59 AM

Nvidia has nerve charging what they are for this card.

opus512 · 10-24-03, 12:48 PM

I can't believe that nVidia used to rip on 3dfx over the size of the V5

ItsNoot · 10-24-03, 12:51 PM

Theres that too...

Seriously though. It's one thing to be the highest price card when you are the clear performance leader. But to do the same when falling so woefully behind the leader? WTF is that about?

Sir_Gallahad · 10-24-03, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsNoot

Theres that too...

Seriously though. It's one thing to be the highest price card when you are the clear performance leader. But to do the same when falling so woefully behind the leader? WTF is that about?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...102-317&DEPA=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...0&Order=priceD

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=&Order=priceD

Wtf are you smokin?

nextbillgates · 10-24-03, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Gallahad

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...102-317&DEPA=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...0&Order=priceD

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=&Order=priceD

Wtf are you smokin?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...82E16814102319

Sir_Gallahad · 10-24-03, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextbillgates

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...roperty&DEPA=1

Not viewable dude...you got the link wrong

Edit: OK you fixed it...congratz. NOW: You do know what the difference between an OEM package and a RETAIL package is don't you?

nextbillgates · 10-24-03, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Gallahad

Not viewable dude...you got the link wrong

Edit: OK you fixed it...congratz. NOW: You do know what the difference between an OEM package and a RETAIL package is don't you?

A nice shiny box, and maybe a game or two.

incandescent · 10-24-03, 04:27 PM

I got a retail 9800XT for 499.99.

Thetargos · 10-24-03, 04:28 PM

Ouch! I wish I had that money to spend on a new video card.

[Edit]
Hell that is by far much more than what a gaming console costs!
[/Edit]

ItsNoot · 10-24-03, 04:31 PM

Point is: they are comparible in price, but not in performance. 5950 looks like a 350-400 card to me, not 500. Ati has gone from "bang for the buck leader" to "youd be an idiot to buy the other guy" IMO.

I'm speaking from this:

Quote:

Comparing the GeForceFX5950 Ultra with the Radeon 9800XT is really a no-brainer. If you want the best IQ, such as AA and AF combined with DX9 performance, the ATI Radeon 9800XT is still HardOCP's card of choice. Both the Radeon 9800XT and the GeForceFX 5950 Ultra are priced at MSRP $499. When we sit here and look back at the performance and image quality obtained in this preview as well as special XT perks, like a full single and multiplayer version Half Life 2, we really can come to only one conclusion. The Radeon 9800XT is the better buy; you simply get more for your money compared to the GeForceFX 5950Ultra.

dryass · 10-24-03, 04:34 PM

The 5950 is not the performance leader.. and they are charging more.. what the hell has been happening to nvidia? this entire FX series has been a total and complete flop - the new radeons are just killing anything nvidia puts out... they better get there act together, I already got my money on ATI for my next card, to replace this weary 4200.

incandescent · 10-24-03, 04:35 PM

bingo. Look, I have no problem in spending 500 bucks on a Video Card if its actually a top of the line video card. You know what? To me, the 5950 simply isn't comparable performance/quality wise to the 9800XT; it isn't even, in my book, a top of the line card. The 9800XT is top of the line in every respect.

Sir_Gallahad · 10-24-03, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextbillgates

A nice shiny box, and maybe a game or two.

Yeah...that and $50. Subtract $50 form the retail 5950 and you get the OEM price....which is $50 less than the OEM price for the XT

nextbillgates · 10-24-03, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Gallahad

Yeah...that and $50. Subtract $50 form the retail 5950 and you get the OEM price....which is $50 less than the OEM price for the XT

/doesn't see an OEM version on newegg

Sir_Gallahad · 10-24-03, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nextbillgates

/doesn't see an OEM version on newegg

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere

Thetargos · 10-24-03, 04:52 PM

But you were arguing about newegg!!! that was what you posted!

Quote:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewprodu...-102-317&DEPA=1

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...20&Order=priceD

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...n=&Order=priceD

Wtf are you smokin?

_____
Do you even know what ecuanimity means?

Sir_Gallahad · 10-24-03, 04:58 PM

If you cut through the fact that this guy likes NVIDIA, you get a pretty neutral review. He tells you the good and bad points of the cards and uses benchmarks that aren't the standard to avoid the driver cheating possibility. The way I see it, the 9800XT is at the top no doubt. Fine....performance wise, the numbers show that the 5950 competes well with the 9800pro....which is not too shabby. It's a brand new product.....the price will drop eventually.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/88/

Hopefully nvidia will bring something new to us soon in terms of architecture that brings the competition back to level.

PS- How does ATI go about packaging HL2 with the 9800XT if the game does not yet exist?

FluxCapacitor · 10-24-03, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Gallahad

If you cut through the fact that this guy likes NVIDIA, you get a pretty neutral review. He tells you the good and bad points of the cards and uses benchmarks that aren't the standard to avoid the driver cheating possibility. The way I see it, the 9800XT is at the top no doubt. Fine....performance wise, the numbers show that the 5950 competes well with the 9800pro....which is not too shabby. It's a brand new product.....the price will drop eventually.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/88/

Hopefully nvidia will bring something new to us soon in terms of architecture that brings the competition back to level.

PS- How does ATI go about packaging HL2 with the 9800XT if the game does not yet exist?

They got the source off BitTorrent and compiled it themselves.

incandescent · 10-24-03, 05:01 PM

you get a voucher to get the game when it comes out

10-24-03, 11:36 AM	#1
Blighter Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Finland Posts: 7,605	[H]ardocp on 5950! (a good read imo) Check it out, it puts things pretty much the way they really are. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTM3 However, if you'd like a review that favours nVidia, check Tom's gay ass weinands article on the same card. __________________ :)

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incandescent Steaming Pile of Bureaucracy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 3,192	I got a retail 9800XT for 499.99. __________________ welp

10-24-03, 04:28 PM	#10
Thetargos Think out of the box... Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Mexico City, Mexico Posts: 7,954	Ouch! I wish I had that money to spend on a new video card. [Edit] Hell that is by far much more than what a gaming console costs! [/Edit] __________________ (o_ //\ V_/_ If aint broken, don't fix it. :eek: If can be improved, go for it! :cool: Registered Linux user #332609 Proud owner of an iriver Clix ジァンニくん

10-24-03, 04:34 PM	#12
dryass Who needs a gun when you got a beard Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rocklin, CA: Land of the free, home of the milkshakes. Posts: 4,465	The 5950 is not the performance leader.. and they are charging more.. what the hell has been happening to nvidia? this entire FX series has been a total and complete flop - the new radeons are just killing anything nvidia puts out... they better get there act together, I already got my money on ATI for my next card, to replace this weary 4200. __________________ "We're all homo's, and we're all playing with cheap Chinese plastic dildos."

10-24-03, 11:59 AM	#2
ItsNoot Simplified Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 23,446	Nvidia has nerve charging what they are for this card.

10-24-03, 12:51 PM	#4
ItsNoot Simplified Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sacramento CA Posts: 23,446	Theres that too... Seriously though. It's one thing to be the highest price card when you are the clear performance leader. But to do the same when falling so woefully behind the leader? WTF is that about?

10-24-03, 04:35 PM	#13
incandescent Steaming Pile of Bureaucracy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 3,192	bingo. Look, I have no problem in spending 500 bucks on a Video Card if its actually a top of the line video card. You know what? To me, the 5950 simply isn't comparable performance/quality wise to the 9800XT; it isn't even, in my book, a top of the line card. The 9800XT is top of the line in every respect. __________________ welp

10-24-03, 04:58 PM	#18
Sir_Gallahad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 11,167	If you cut through the fact that this guy likes NVIDIA, you get a pretty neutral review. He tells you the good and bad points of the cards and uses benchmarks that aren't the standard to avoid the driver cheating possibility. The way I see it, the 9800XT is at the top no doubt. Fine....performance wise, the numbers show that the 5950 competes well with the 9800pro....which is not too shabby. It's a brand new product.....the price will drop eventually. http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/88/ Hopefully nvidia will bring something new to us soon in terms of architecture that brings the competition back to level. PS- How does ATI go about packaging HL2 with the 9800XT if the game does not yet exist? __________________ They needed a leader Yet got a deceiver Who preys on the believers

10-24-03, 05:01 PM	#20
incandescent Steaming Pile of Bureaucracy Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 3,192	you get a voucher to get the game when it comes out __________________ welp