Ok now I should I upgrade my cpu?

El Che · 03-11-06, 05:49 PM

Since I have made up my mind on a video card going with the 7900 GT by EVGA
I would like to know if I should upgrade my cpu as well? I was looking at a
A64 4000 or should I go with a A64 3800 , x2 3800?

scottg26 · 03-11-06, 06:00 PM

Current games don't make a lot of use of Dual Cores....unless you install the Call of Duty Dual core patch.

Whats the clockspeed on the 3800+ and what are their respective prices?

sj_hurst · 03-11-06, 06:30 PM

It's not like dual cores are completely redundant. What if you wanna download files or somethin' while you're playing a game? dual core works well for this, correct?

Thetargos · 03-11-06, 07:42 PM

Or if you leave a disk ripping in the background and have some time to kill

Anyway as for your original question, I believe the 3800+ X2 is clocked at 2.2 GHz.

mellotron · 03-11-06, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thetargos

Or if you leave a disk ripping in the background and have some time to kill

Anyway as for your original question, I believe the 3800+ X2 is clocked at 2.2 GHz.

2.0GHz actually, so it would run a bit better than a 3200+

Ailuros · 03-11-06, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Che

Since I have made up my mind on a video card going with the 7900 GT by EVGA
I would like to know if I should upgrade my cpu as well? I was looking at a
A64 4000 or should I go with a A64 3800 , x2 3800?

Price/performance ratio is currently overall a lot higher on the A64 4000+

El Che · 03-11-06, 11:17 PM

Thanks Ailuros and everyone so would I see a big boost in games going from a
A64 3000 to A64 4000

Lollan · 03-12-06, 12:06 AM

Wait for your video card to come in first, lol. If it runs games to your preferences, then don't worry about it, but I would assume jumping from a 3000+ to a 4000+ would help quite a bit.

ArchAngelCD · 03-12-06, 12:14 AM

The Athlon 64 4000+ Clawhammer is $350 @2.4GHz - 130nm
The Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego is $334 @2.4GHz - 90nm
The Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester is $355.40 @2.2GHz - 90nm

Why would you buy a Single-Core when the faster Dual-Core is a few dollars more? (prices from Zipzoom) You also get both SSE3 and 3DNOW Professional with the A64 X2. The Clawhammer core has only SSE2 but the San Diego core has SSE3.

If you decide to get the Single-Core A64 make sure you get the San Diego core and not the Clawhammer core.

Ailuros · 03-12-06, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArchAngelCD

Why would you buy a Single-Core when the faster Dual-Core is a few dollars more? (prices from Zipzoom) You also get both SSE3 and 3DNOW Professional with the A64 X2. The Clawhammer core has only SSE2 but the San Diego core has SSE3.

If you decide to get the Single-Core A64 make sure you get the San Diego core and not the Clawhammer core.

Because there are still not noticable differences in games for dual-core CPUs.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpo...01&postcount=2

Thetargos · 03-12-06, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ailuros

Because there are still not noticable differences in games for dual-core CPUs.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpo...01&postcount=2

I guess the resl benefit of Dual Core is that you can leave your AV program running in the background and still be able to pull some decent framerates out of your games

Lollan · 03-12-06, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thetargos

I guess the resl benefit of Dual Core is that you can leave your AV program running in the background and still be able to pull some decent framerates out of your games

./gets to work.

Anyone want to donate a dual core CPU?

sj_hurst · 03-12-06, 11:49 AM

Most PC enthusiasts don't buy hardware just to meet their needs for what software's out there today. But they plan ahead and build a system that will run as good as possible (based on what they can afford) for the next 6 months or beyond.

Besides that, if you sell the PC a year from now, how much will somebody pay for a lame-arse single core when every respectable PC owner is runnin' at least dual cores?

labat · 03-12-06, 12:40 PM

after a couple months of personal usage with the amd x2 4400 i cant recomend anything then to go fo a dual core cpu.

sure it coast a couple of bucks more, so what? if the only thing you do is play games fine, but for usage a little bit wider then that the dual core is a fantastic cpu.

seriously, why even bother with single core?

WedgieMan · 03-12-06, 12:55 PM

If the dual core is $20 more and only drops the clock to 2.0 from 2.2, it's a no-brainer for me. Getting a game to tax both CPU's isn't the point. If you run more than one app at one time, dual core helps. The framerate loss (if any) from dropping 200MHz should not be noticable.

El Che · 03-12-06, 02:45 PM

Are there any bench marks in gaming for the
The Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego is $334 @2.4GHz - 90nm
The Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester is $355.40 @2.2GHz - 90nm?

El Che · 03-12-06, 03:04 PM

Update I did a google on it and found this website dont know how much of its true but if its true about the drivers for duel core from microsoft and nv maybe going with the x2 4200 is starting to look good
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/cont...pic/52433/?o=0

sj_hurst · 03-12-06, 03:06 PM

Dual core is hands down the way to go, imo. Even if games don't currently use it, you'll likely still see a benefit if you're running any background apps while you game. And surely, at least some games in the near future will take advantage of dual cores.

Intuition would suggest that benchmarks would give a slight edge to the 4000+ in games.. since it's clocked 200MHz faster and most current games don't use dual cores..

However, most benchmarks won't reflect real-world performance differences you'd experience on your PC, since benchmarks/professional reviews won't have other apps running in the background. That's why Lollan is askin' for a free dual core cpu. He wanted to test this. He tests anti-virus programs and games too, i guess.

El Che · 03-12-06, 04:42 PM

Hmm so x2 4200 over a A64 4000 for a few xtra bucks

Ailuros · 03-12-06, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sj_hurst

Most PC enthusiasts don't buy hardware just to meet their needs for what software's out there today. But they plan ahead and build a system that will run as good as possible (based on what they can afford) for the next 6 months or beyond.

Besides that, if you sell the PC a year from now, how much will somebody pay for a lame-arse single core when every respectable PC owner is runnin' at least dual cores?

By that time you'll get times more efficient dual core CPUs at way lower prices. It'll be just as much worth as a single core CPU if you want to resell it.

Dual core is beyond doubt the future, but there's not going to change much in 6 months either.

03-11-06, 05:49 PM	#1
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El Che Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ViVa Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,320	Thanks Ailuros and everyone so would I see a big boost in games going from a A64 3000 to A64 4000 __________________ Intel core 2 Duo E6850 Gigabyte P35-DSL3 4 GIG of Corsair Xms2 dual ch. ddr 2 800 nV Evga 8800GT 512 Seagate 1 tb Barracuda 7200.12 rpm 32mb Seagate 500 gig Barracuda Sata 2 X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series Toshiba 37 lcd tv 1080p Corsair 550 psu Antec Super Lan boy 2 HP dvd 740 LightScribe dual layer G15 Logitech keyboard, M$ sidewinder Fatal1ty Gaming Headset, Logitech Z5500 Win 7 Ulti 64x

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03-11-06, 06:30 PM	#3
sj_hurst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 14,174	It's not like dual cores are completely redundant. What if you wanna download files or somethin' while you're playing a game? dual core works well for this, correct?

03-12-06, 12:14 AM	#9
ArchAngelCD Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,501	The Athlon 64 4000+ Clawhammer is $350 @2.4GHz - 130nm The Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego is $334 @2.4GHz - 90nm The Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester is $355.40 @2.2GHz - 90nm Why would you buy a Single-Core when the faster Dual-Core is a few dollars more? (prices from Zipzoom) You also get both SSE3 and 3DNOW Professional with the A64 X2. The Clawhammer core has only SSE2 but the San Diego core has SSE3. If you decide to get the Single-Core A64 make sure you get the San Diego core and not the Clawhammer core. __________________ A bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work!

03-12-06, 11:49 AM	#13
sj_hurst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 14,174	Most PC enthusiasts don't buy hardware just to meet their needs for what software's out there today. But they plan ahead and build a system that will run as good as possible (based on what they can afford) for the next 6 months or beyond. Besides that, if you sell the PC a year from now, how much will somebody pay for a lame-arse single core when every respectable PC owner is runnin' at least dual cores?

03-12-06, 12:40 PM	#14
labat Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 893	after a couple months of personal usage with the amd x2 4400 i cant recomend anything then to go fo a dual core cpu. sure it coast a couple of bucks more, so what? if the only thing you do is play games fine, but for usage a little bit wider then that the dual core is a fantastic cpu. seriously, why even bother with single core?

03-12-06, 12:55 PM	#15
WedgieMan GNOMG! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: USA Posts: 9,352	If the dual core is $20 more and only drops the clock to 2.0 from 2.2, it's a no-brainer for me. Getting a game to tax both CPU's isn't the point. If you run more than one app at one time, dual core helps. The framerate loss (if any) from dropping 200MHz should not be noticable.

03-12-06, 02:45 PM	#16
El Che Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ViVa Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,320	Are there any bench marks in gaming for the The Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego is $334 @2.4GHz - 90nm The Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester is $355.40 @2.2GHz - 90nm? __________________ Intel core 2 Duo E6850 Gigabyte P35-DSL3 4 GIG of Corsair Xms2 dual ch. ddr 2 800 nV Evga 8800GT 512 Seagate 1 tb Barracuda 7200.12 rpm 32mb Seagate 500 gig Barracuda Sata 2 X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series Toshiba 37 lcd tv 1080p Corsair 550 psu Antec Super Lan boy 2 HP dvd 740 LightScribe dual layer G15 Logitech keyboard, M$ sidewinder Fatal1ty Gaming Headset, Logitech Z5500 Win 7 Ulti 64x

03-12-06, 03:04 PM	#17
El Che Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ViVa Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,320	Update I did a google on it and found this website dont know how much of its true but if its true about the drivers for duel core from microsoft and nv maybe going with the x2 4200 is starting to look good http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/cont...pic/52433/?o=0 __________________ Intel core 2 Duo E6850 Gigabyte P35-DSL3 4 GIG of Corsair Xms2 dual ch. ddr 2 800 nV Evga 8800GT 512 Seagate 1 tb Barracuda 7200.12 rpm 32mb Seagate 500 gig Barracuda Sata 2 X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series Toshiba 37 lcd tv 1080p Corsair 550 psu Antec Super Lan boy 2 HP dvd 740 LightScribe dual layer G15 Logitech keyboard, M$ sidewinder Fatal1ty Gaming Headset, Logitech Z5500 Win 7 Ulti 64x

03-12-06, 03:06 PM	#18
sj_hurst Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 14,174	Dual core is hands down the way to go, imo. Even if games don't currently use it, you'll likely still see a benefit if you're running any background apps while you game. And surely, at least some games in the near future will take advantage of dual cores. Intuition would suggest that benchmarks would give a slight edge to the 4000+ in games.. since it's clocked 200MHz faster and most current games don't use dual cores.. However, most benchmarks won't reflect real-world performance differences you'd experience on your PC, since benchmarks/professional reviews won't have other apps running in the background. That's why Lollan is askin' for a free dual core cpu. He wanted to test this. He tests anti-virus programs and games too, i guess.

03-12-06, 04:42 PM	#19
El Che Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ViVa Las Vegas!!!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,320	Hmm so x2 4200 over a A64 4000 for a few xtra bucks __________________ Intel core 2 Duo E6850 Gigabyte P35-DSL3 4 GIG of Corsair Xms2 dual ch. ddr 2 800 nV Evga 8800GT 512 Seagate 1 tb Barracuda 7200.12 rpm 32mb Seagate 500 gig Barracuda Sata 2 X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series Toshiba 37 lcd tv 1080p Corsair 550 psu Antec Super Lan boy 2 HP dvd 740 LightScribe dual layer G15 Logitech keyboard, M$ sidewinder Fatal1ty Gaming Headset, Logitech Z5500 Win 7 Ulti 64x